Ibanez CF7 Chorus/ Flanger  [schematic]

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Ibanez CF7 Chorus/ Flanger

Postby Skarrgus » 23 Jan 2009, 21:14

Schem:
http://www.ibanez.com/parts/2002_PARTS/electronics/tonelok/circuit%20diagram/CF7-01.pdf

I'm wanting to rehouse this and make it true bypass, so I figured I'd see about some mods. Particularly, adding more depth or thickness to the chorus setting. Any other mods welcome, as well.
Also what kind of switches should I use for the modes?

I'll be putting this in a 1590DD-sized enclosure along with the Phase Modulator from the same series (no mods, I love the PM7 as-is) so space for extra knobs and switches won't be a problem.

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Re: Ibanez CF7 Chorus/ Flanger

Postby Skarrgus » 26 Jan 2009, 06:37

Nevermind... Found what I was looking for.
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Re: Ibanez CF7 Chorus/ Flanger

Postby iwantmypie » 31 Jan 2009, 07:42

Skarrgus wrote:Nevermind... Found what I was looking for.


care to share your findings? i'd also be interested in any sort of info regarding rehousing and true bypassing ibanez 7 series pedals. thanks.
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Re: Ibanez CF7 Chorus/ Flanger

Postby Skarrgus » 31 Jan 2009, 22:56

iwantmypie wrote:
Skarrgus wrote:Nevermind... Found what I was looking for.


care to share your findings? i'd also be interested in any sort of info regarding rehousing and true bypassing ibanez 7 series pedals. thanks.


It was about which transistor to short to get it to always be "on"... Figured it out about a minute right after posting. I'm still working on the rehouse, though.
I'd still like some help getting a deeper chorus sound, though.
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ibanez chorus/flanger cf7 help  [schematic]

Postby slash555 » 29 Sep 2009, 12:51

hi! i'm rookie in this stuff so...
i want to reduce pedal output level. it it slightly boosting signal when it's on, expecially with distortion in front.
here's shematic

CF7-01.pdf


what should i change?
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Re: ibanez chorus/flanger cf7 help

Postby ansil » 03 Dec 2009, 09:11

r36 r43 are limiting resistors on the outputs. you can put a 5k trimpot there on each one and dial in your level of reduction. or you could put it as a pot to ground. this may affect the sound somewhat desolder the resistors add jumpers and try it out dial it in till you get it. they are like 2 bucks at rat shack

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Re: ibanez chorus/flanger cf7 help

Postby Dirk_Hendrik » 03 Dec 2009, 12:33

A skight increase of R23 and R31 will help you better and will only alter the level when the pedal is engaged.
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Re: Ibanez DFL Digital Flanger

Postby loylo » 26 Dec 2014, 18:14

Hello mirosol,

It may be completely off topic, but not that much beacause I want to speack about another Ibanez flanger.
I just happened to buy a used CF7, and I came across your web page about this unit. And I can assure you that the mess with the 2 additional cas and the wiring on the solder side of the PCB is all original, as my unit looks completely identical to yours.

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Re: Ibanez DFL Digital Flanger

Postby loylo » 27 Dec 2014, 14:16

Yeah, I mean CF7, although I know I'm off topic (sorry for that).

I was refering to this page:
http://mirosol.kapsi.fi/2013/11/ibanez- ... usflanger/

The only reason I mention this here is because I realized Mirosol is a FSB member with this topic while I just bought a used CF7 four days ago.
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Re: Ibanez CF7 Chorus/ Flanger

Postby tertiumsquid » 02 Dec 2019, 07:37

Hate to bump a dead topic, but I recently acquired a CF7 pedal and also noticed that it boosted volume when enabled (by around 4db). Found this page and tried the suggestions here, but no go - raising R23 and R31 made no difference, and R36/R43 affect the bypassed volume as well. I did find a way though:

Looking at the schematic slash555 posted (and probing around with my scope) I found out a couple things. First, the pedal combines the bypassed signal with the modulated signal, both at the same amplitude as the input, meaning the output is slightly less than double the voltage of the input. Second, the bypassed signal is switched in and out with a mosfet, Q1, but the normal/wackd switch shorts it so that it's always coming through anyway, meaning that any gain reduction for the dry signal will also reduce the bypassed signal, and there's theoretically no way to reduce the output below unity. Third, the volume output in Wack'd mode is the same as the bypassed volume.

So how do you fix this if it's unfixable? Well, I ended up having to cut a trace to do it. The trace going from Q1 to the normal/wackd switch needs to be cut, and a 22k resistor added across the gap. That reduces the gain of the dry signal when the effect is on, but Q1 will short the resistor in bypass mode making it unchanged. To reduce the wet signal, I changed R18 from 2.2k to 12k (actually 12.4k since that's all I had, but the .4 should make no difference). Now the output volume is exactly the same as the bypassed volume

One caveat - the volume in Wack'd mode will be reduced now, though perceptively it doesn't sound like it's quieter to me.

So again, the fix is: cut the trace from Q1 to pin 5 of connector P53, put in a 22k resistor across that, and change R18 to 12k. See the attached photo for where to cut.

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Re: Ibanez CF7 Chorus/ Flanger

Postby Manfred » 02 Dec 2019, 12:45

I have drawn your modification into the schematic.
CF-7 mod.jpg

ibanez_cf7-1.pdf
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