Daphon E10FL Flanger
- astrobass
- Cap Cooler
Hi!
Here's another cheap flanger to monkey with. Through hole construction, attractive mauve plastic potato bug enclosure, 3 trimmers on the board, what's not to love for a $20 flanger?
Obviously I'm going to play with the trimmers. DUH. But what else can we do with this thing? What is it based on?
NOTE:
The board is pretty brittle. I chipped off a part of it (you can see in the photos) and will have to scrape away the green and run jumper wire. This happened because those knobs are ON there. Super stubborn.
Here's another cheap flanger to monkey with. Through hole construction, attractive mauve plastic potato bug enclosure, 3 trimmers on the board, what's not to love for a $20 flanger?
Obviously I'm going to play with the trimmers. DUH. But what else can we do with this thing? What is it based on?
NOTE:
The board is pretty brittle. I chipped off a part of it (you can see in the photos) and will have to scrape away the green and run jumper wire. This happened because those knobs are ON there. Super stubborn.
- astrobass
- Cap Cooler
Upon looking at guts of the Boss BF-2, this has the same assortment of ICs (JRC instead of NEC or TI, 4558D vs 4558C and 022D vs 022CP) and the same number of trimmers of the same values. Willing to bet that's exactly what it is.
- astrobass
- Cap Cooler
Okay one last post. C7 and C8 in this pedal = C27 and C28 in the BF-2. Looks like they probably just re-numbered things by counting backwards but I'm WAY too lazy to figure out. The trim pots also do the same thing they do in the Boss pedal and I'm willing to bet C33 & C34 in this pedal = C6 & C7 in the BF-2.
This thing actually sounds really nice, too. Really not noisy at all.
This thing actually sounds really nice, too. Really not noisy at all.
- Dirk_Hendrik
- Old Solderhand
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Considering the suspected history of Daphon as manufacturer of the Ibanez Soundtanks I'd give the Ibanez FL5 as very serious contestant too.
- astrobass
- Cap Cooler
Lot of component similarities there too. Does it have the 2x 33uF caps back to back to form the non-polarized 16.5 uF cap though?Dirk_Hendrik wrote:Considering the suspected history of Daphon as manufacturer of the Ibanez Soundtanks I'd give the Ibanez FL5 as very serious contestant too.
- wildschwein
- Breadboard Brother
What do the trimmers control? I have the metal-cased Daphon Flanger and would be interested in messing around with it.
- lolbou
- Old Solderhand
One's for the clock frequency. One other for the BBD bias adjustment. And the third one is likely to be for feedback (regeneration).wildschwein wrote:What do the trimmers control?
Be sure to be able to tweak it backwards to normal operation...wildschwein wrote:I have the metal-cased Daphon Flanger and would be interested in messing around with it.
- Are you a mod or a rocker?
- Uh, no, I'm a mocker.
- Uh, no, I'm a mocker.
- Dirk_Hendrik
- Old Solderhand
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The trimmers give the manufacturer the possibility to adjust a few settings that may differ with the components used. Contrary to what many people think, the operators in the production facility are really good at setting these trimmers for the best performance. They usually do have the proper equipment to do so too.wildschwein wrote:What do the trimmers control? I have the metal-cased Daphon Flanger and would be interested in messing around with it.
This in turn means that any change of these settings will cause disfunctioning of your effect or a degradation in sonic quality. Some acclaim this degradation is "better". Usually becuase they're proud the managed to achieve a change and, since they consider emselves very "musical any change is to be considered better than what the manufacturer did. What can a manufacturer of musical equipment possibly know about music.
Is short, leave em alone
- astrobass
- Cap Cooler
The one that controls Res level is the only one that's really all that interesting to play with. It's set for a "normal" use case. I like having it high enough that maxing out the Res control and hitting it with hard notes at a high rate settings can cause oscillation. With the rate setting mod (switching the 2x33uF caps for 2x4.7uF caps), you can then back it off just a hint, and it's like having a synth backing you up. I don't know. I like the weird stuff you get out of flangers at higher rate settings.
Here's some samples I did up on guitar with it post-mod:
And here's it on bass:
In both cases it was recorded on line in, no amp or cab sim. So put on headphones or it'll have no bass whatsoever. Or play it back through your amp. Either way, you can't do that stuff without fiddling with the Res/Regen control to allow it to ring a liiiiiiittle bit more than you'd usually want. If you dial back the Res control it's still capable of sounding mostly normal. The Rate control is no longer capable of providing jumbo jet swoops though, and the minimum Rate yo-yos pretty hard. It depends on what you want it to do. I'll agree that flanger mods don't necessarily make the flanger "better" in a general sense, but they do unlock alternate functionality, and some of that stuff is in my opinion, a lot cooler than a normal flanger. But you might get the impression from those samples that my tastes tend to lean away from normal, and that wouldn't be necessarily an incorrect impression to have.
Here's some samples I did up on guitar with it post-mod:
And here's it on bass:
In both cases it was recorded on line in, no amp or cab sim. So put on headphones or it'll have no bass whatsoever. Or play it back through your amp. Either way, you can't do that stuff without fiddling with the Res/Regen control to allow it to ring a liiiiiiittle bit more than you'd usually want. If you dial back the Res control it's still capable of sounding mostly normal. The Rate control is no longer capable of providing jumbo jet swoops though, and the minimum Rate yo-yos pretty hard. It depends on what you want it to do. I'll agree that flanger mods don't necessarily make the flanger "better" in a general sense, but they do unlock alternate functionality, and some of that stuff is in my opinion, a lot cooler than a normal flanger. But you might get the impression from those samples that my tastes tend to lean away from normal, and that wouldn't be necessarily an incorrect impression to have.
I have E20 version and I can definitely say that it is very similar to Boss BF-2. I compared two pedals and as for tone they are almost identical. Though Daphon doesn't have MANUAL control and distorts a signal a little bit on peaks, also RATE control of the Boss pedal is smoother.
So I'm pretty sure that Daphon E20 Flanger is a clone of Boss BF-2. And in my opinion it's a good value for money. If anyone interested in E20 gutshots, let me know.
So I'm pretty sure that Daphon E20 Flanger is a clone of Boss BF-2. And in my opinion it's a good value for money. If anyone interested in E20 gutshots, let me know.
- Dirk_Hendrik
- Old Solderhand
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yes please!juice2 wrote:. If anyone interested in E20 gutshots, let me know.
- Dirk_Hendrik
- Old Solderhand
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- wildschwein
- Breadboard Brother
Thanks I can report all these years later that I never messed with them.Dirk_Hendrik wrote: ↑09 Jan 2014, 15:53The trimmers give the manufacturer the possibility to adjust a few settings that may differ with the components used. Contrary to what many people think, the operators in the production facility are really good at setting these trimmers for the best performance. They usually do have the proper equipment to do so too.wildschwein wrote:What do the trimmers control? I have the metal-cased Daphon Flanger and would be interested in messing around with it.
This in turn means that any change of these settings will cause disfunctioning of your effect or a degradation in sonic quality. Some acclaim this degradation is "better". Usually becuase they're proud the managed to achieve a change and, since they consider emselves very "musical any change is to be considered better than what the manufacturer did. What can a manufacturer of musical equipment possibly know about music.
Is short, leave em alone