NS LF353N.....Not Hype!

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NS LF353N.....Not Hype!

Postby markm » 12 Aug 2007, 14:29

I have to say, after testing this opamp highly recommended by JHS, it does sound incredibly different than say a 4558 etc.
Much more....dare I say it.....Amp Like! :roll:
It certainly added some personality to The Crank which IMO was a very generic and sterile sounding circuit with a 5532 per the schematic.
Just wanted to say to those that have not tried this IC, give it a whirl.
JHS was right, it can make a difference.
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Postby gus » 12 Aug 2007, 16:04

look at the IC number in the modded IC muff at aron's in schematics
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Postby MoreCowbell » 12 Aug 2007, 17:39

I have a bunch of what are, IIRC, the single version...the LF351N ...I'll have to give them a test drive.

Too many parts, too little time.
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Postby Goop_buster » 12 Aug 2007, 23:04

Interesting mark.

Wonder why they are so damn expensive compared to other generic types here though? About $2.42 (converted currency) for one DIL8 at my local electronics shop.
Are they perhaps out of production?

Have you tried out LM833N ? Seem like they have some reputation for sounding good in distortion and overdrive circuits. For instance that mi-audio guy http://www.miaudio.com/CB1.htm use them in his boxes.
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Postby MoreCowbell » 13 Aug 2007, 06:27

Goop_buster wrote:Interesting mark.

Wonder why they are so damn expensive compared to other generic types here though? About $2.42 (converted currency) for one DIL8 at my local electronics shop.
Are they perhaps out of production?

Have you tried out LM833N ? Seem like they have some reputation for sounding good in distortion and overdrive circuits. For instance that mi-audio guy http://www.miaudio.com/CB1.htm use them in his boxes.

Ive tried them, but was never "floored" by them. Still, not bad...
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Postby briggs » 13 Aug 2007, 11:04

I always find the 1458 an underated overdrive chip...
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Postby Igloo » 13 Aug 2007, 11:49

Yes it s a goody.
Also rarely mentioned but very good results for me in various applications the 4560...

Heres the datasheet

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/7448/NJRC/NJM4560.html
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Postby markm » 13 Aug 2007, 17:40

briggs wrote:I always find the 1458 an underated overdrive chip...


I bought a couple of these also but, have yet to try 'em.
The same story goes with the 1458, supposed to sound real good.
I have to admit, I was a bit surprised by the tonal differences and to use a boutique catch-phrase, it did sound more "musical". :o
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Postby bajaman » 13 Aug 2007, 21:51

The LM1458 is very smooooth, BUT lacks bite or edge in my view (or hearing) :wink:
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Postby JHS » 17 Aug 2007, 12:28

There a some other great sounding ICs:

The Philips uA741 is IMHO the best sounding 741, get them while you can.

Other very good sounding OPs are the AD 711JN and the JRC 072BD, IMHO the most "musical" sounding 072 of all 072 and excellent dynamic response, a bit warmer sounding than the ND-LF353N and a very goos subs for the 353N.

KIA 4558, a bit more grit than the TI 4558P or Jthe RC 4558D.

JRC/TI 1458, same sound as the 4558 but less middy with slight top end sizzle.

JRC 4559 and 4560 or the JRC 4558DD (a bit fatter and more gain than the 4558D and less noisy)

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Postby briggs » 17 Aug 2007, 13:13

I quite like the smoooooth sound you get, it's a little different. I've always liked the 4559, it's a nice alternate to the standard 4558. I do find I like TL072's in some stuff though :shock:
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Postby kagaxdx » 17 Aug 2007, 13:53

How would you guys compare the TLC2262 ? :wink:

I think I like it, every circuit I tried it I liked the tone.
Soundwise how would you compare it with the others? I've never made such comparison...
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Postby bajaman » 17 Aug 2007, 14:50

Hi
I found the TLC2262 gets a bit mushy almost germanium like when driven hard - I have not tried the TLC2272 yet though, it may stay a little clearer like a TL072 I suspect - The TLCxxxx series are 100% mosfet opamps, not Jfet input devices and bipolar drive and output stages - they also will swing rail to rail for a greater dynamic range too.
Tech 21 use them a lot IIRC
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Postby krome_magnon » 19 Aug 2007, 13:23

The 351 and 353 were the first opamps I was using 15 years or so ago for distortion boxes and overdrives. They were cheap and sounded good. The first time I used one for a clean microphone amp it sucked, putting in a more hi-fi chip sorted that.

Always wary of mojo bullshit I have to agree that the 35x is a good distorter. As is the venerable 741, it's shitty slew rate etc. is good for non clean stuff.
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Postby The Rotagilla » 22 Aug 2007, 19:42

It's interesting that what works in one pedal doesn't in another.

Catalinbread Silverkiss - Stock with TL072 was harsh and a bit buzzy. Swapped it out for a Burr Brown OPA2134 (I think that's the one) and while I lost a little of the max gain, it smoothed the sound right out.

BJFE Little Green Wonder - Stock was the LF353N. No other IC sounded better.

MI Audio Crunch Box - I want to say stock was a 4558 and so-so sounding. Swapped for an LM1458 and changed my opinion about it.

DIY Bluesbreaker Build - Started with a TL072 and liked it. Tried the LF353N, OPA2134, LM833N and a couple of others without liking what I heard. Popped in a BA4558 and got a nice sound. I think I have the LM1458 in there now and that's lasted the longest.

I know I have some JRC072's lying around. I'll have to give those a try.
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Postby briggs » 22 Aug 2007, 23:57

Rotagilla: What is that Silverkiss circuit like? A SoS clone with a 3 band eq stuck on the end? Or is it a new design?
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Postby The Rotagilla » 23 Aug 2007, 00:29

briggs wrote:Rotagilla: What is that Silverkiss circuit like? A SoS clone with a 3 band eq stuck on the end? Or is it a new design?


To be honest I never poked around inside other than changing the IC and I no longer have it. I thought the EQ was very effective. There where a couple of issues in the first 50 that people complained about but they seemed to have been straightened out in the next batch. I played a Silverkiss Mk. II the other day. Didn't sound the same as the unit I had so I'm guessing he changed something again.
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Postby madbean » 23 Aug 2007, 06:17

The Rotagilla wrote:
MI Audio Crunch Box - I want to say stock was a 4558 and so-so sounding. Swapped for an LM1458 and changed my opinion about it.


Stock is LM833N, not 4558. The version I built has an 072 in it because I had that on hand. It sounds so-so.
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Postby The Rotagilla » 23 Aug 2007, 10:32

madbean wrote:
The Rotagilla wrote:
MI Audio Crunch Box - I want to say stock was a 4558 and so-so sounding. Swapped for an LM1458 and changed my opinion about it.


Stock is LM833N, not 4558. The version I built has an 072 in it because I had that on hand. It sounds so-so.


Thanks for the correction. It has been awhile and the mind doesn't work like it used to.
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Postby bacaruda » 27 Aug 2007, 19:41

Thank for the tip. I've always loved the LF351 in distortions/fuzzes . . . should have tried the 353 a long time ago!
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