Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

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Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby culturejam » 19 Apr 2009, 04:44

The creator of this posted project details over at BYOC, but here's the original project page:

http://www.pdfelectronics.com/top_drive.htm

Just thought I'd post it here if anyone is interested.


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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby GuitarManiac32 » 21 Apr 2009, 12:24

This project seems really cool, I´m gonna try it out myself! Thanks a lot for the info :)
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby SPeter » 21 Apr 2009, 22:35

Thanks a lot!
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby culturejam » 22 Apr 2009, 01:07

Over at the BYOC forum, there is the beginnings of a group order for some professional PCBs for the Top Drive:
http://www.buildyourownclone.com/board/ ... 15&t=17426
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby theehman » 24 May 2018, 20:18

Did anybody save the documentation for this? I just found a PCB in my box of projects.
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby okgb » 28 May 2018, 15:25

Bump for this , links are long gone but I'm curious was it just a preamp boost or full deal with eq ?
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby theehman » 28 May 2018, 17:31

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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby danielzink » 10 Jun 2018, 14:19

I still have (2) of these boards in my collection....

I pull them out and look over the documentation once in a while...

I have a bunch of saved (finished assembly) pics on my HD.

Plus this that I copied from a post somewhere......

Top Drive: A New 12AU7 Pre-amp Design


Another 12AU7 pre-amp, a successor to "The Hood"!
What makes this little tube powered pre-amp different though? Well for one it's voiced in a totally different way. The pre-amp sounds very much like a Vox/Dumble amp. Its got that great top end "jangley" character with that nice tight bottom end. It has great clarity and character all the way up the volume control. When the volume control is maxed out there is great "singing" distortion. "Top Drive" is very much like an old Vox (AC30 for example) in the sense that is has a single volume control. No master (gain) control, this means you need to crank up the volume for that great tube saturation. There is something about a non-master volume amp that just makes it special and sound different. Along with the volume control there is also a three band equalizer consisting of treble, middle and bass controls.


I mentioned Dumble though, yes Dumble. What makes "Top Drive" unique is it has a footswitch-able gain stage in the form of a FET boost. With the high impedance FET booster driving the front end of the pre-amp you get tons of added gain, saturation and sustain. The distortion and break up are incredible, its like a pushed over the top Vox mixed with a smooth overdriven Dumble. The FET boost stage also has a volume control. Now this means you now have a volume control at the beginning of the circuit and the normal one at the end. So when you switch on the FET boost stage you now have a master volume amp! You can now dial in the perfect amount of gain without having to crank the volume.
As well as the volume control for the FET boost stage there is a voicing control. The voicing control affects the FET's source bypass cap. A switch allows you to select bright, flat or fat boosted gain tones. This is all made possible by putting different RC filters in parallel to the FET's source resistor. What's nice about the bright control is it stays bright and clear all the way through the volume control's sweep, it's not like an old Fender bright control where the bright affect faded as the volume increased. Even more tones are added.


A new power supply has been added which is a step up from "The Hood's". It provides a higher voltage and has more filtering. This means more output, clearer more defined tone and tight bass. The bypass switching is also got more complex and interesting. I have now designed a two switch external switching box using relays. It lets you bypass "Top Drive" totally in a true bypass manner. It also allows you to turn on and off the FET boost stage. This is really useful as depending on how you set the FET volume and normal volume the footswitch can then act as a clean/dirty channel switch. The switching system even allows one to use just the FET boost by itself. Both switches have activate LEDs mounted on the front of the pre-amp to tell you when which switch is activated.


The Sounds:
First thoughts were "damn this thing has no background noise". Yep hardly any background, white noise, floor noise, hum whatever you want to call it.
Anyways the tone is incredible. It is very tight sounding but with a nice amount of highs and clarity on the top end. With just the tube signal path (no FET boost) the tone can range from clean to great tube distortion. When the volume controls hits 2 o'clock the unit starts to break up and this great natural distortion hits you. It is not overly heavy, just the right amount of gain. I would describe the max gain as a early 60's British Vox or Marshall that is cranked. All the while the tone remains tight and clear. Even if the tone isn't spot on it can be tweaked by the simple but very effect three band EQ. The treble has a range from subtle and smooth to bright and very clear. The middle control offers a wide variety of tones. With the mids scooped the tone is clear and quite "twangy". Once you roll it up though the sound thickens up and has more "meat" and definition to it. Once the mid control is at about 3 o'clock the sound gets very fat and spongy!!! The bass control allows one to fine tweak the sound even more, it is smooth control that can really add depth.


With the FET stage engaged things let loose! With the FET gain rolled up to about 2 o'clock there is a serious increase in gain. The sound becomes bigger chunkier and there is a lot more gain. Now with the voicing switch set flat the frequency response is well flat, nothing is boost. On the flat setting there is a little less gain, it's nice for just a pure volume boost without much coloration. This helps retain the character of the tube circuitry. With the voicing control set to fat boosted gain there is even more gain than the flat setting. The tone also becomes even bigger and the bass is boosted, the bottom end really stands out. The sounding is very tight and raw, it provides a great Texas blues type of tone. Finally with the voicing control set to bright well the sound is bright! Very clear and articulate, not piecing or shrill at all. It sounds pretty good with the bright on and some gain, kinda like a 70s Hiwatt. It sounds even better if the preamp is set clean, resembles more of a Blackface style amp.


The FET booster can also be used all by itself. This means you can bypass the tube circuit with the footswitch and then turn on the FET boost with the footswitch so it's on all by itself, kind of a neat feature.

Overall a very cool unit. By far the best thing I have ever designed or built to this point. Has a wide range of tones and really sounds great when pushed hard.

Any 120V/12V transformers with 300mA on the secondary is fine. No need for audio grade, I'd just use whatever cheap EI transformer you can get your hands on.

A lot of electronics stores sell 120V/12V transformers with dual primaries and secondaries. This would be ideal as you could use one secondary for heaters and one for B+. This would work much better and would require less filtering.


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Note from Gino:
Gino wrote:
In the bill of materials I specified parts that can be found at major parts distributors (Digi-Key, Mouser, etc.). However, I specified a WIMA cap (item 5 on the BOM) and those are usually found at Mouser. If you absolutely have to use Mouser exclusively (I don't know why), Digi-Key part numbers can be searched for in Mouser. These are the part numbers on Digi-key's website that end in "-ND". Also, if you are looking for a particular part number, FindChips.com is very handy as it searches multiple distributors, including Digi-Key and Mouser.

I also included as much relevant pricing information as possible. For those of you who ordered more than one board, you can input the quantity in cell B7 and the prices should adjust accordingly. Obviously price breaks are not calculated, but at least this will give you a general idea of cost. I also left a few columns in that I use when finding parts for a job. For example, the "Stock?" column allows me to mark whether I've got the part in stock already or if I have to order it.

I tried to make the layout somewhat modular in that you don't have to directly solder the wires to the board if you don't want to. In the "Optional Parts" section I have included connectors and latching headers for the tubes, input/output connectors, FET switch and the XLR cable connection. Also, Chris highly recommends the use of a heat sink for U1.

Also, the layout facilitates board-mounting the pots but obviously this isn't required.

I must point out one goof on the layout though. The caps in the charge pump section, C1-C7, are 10uF 63V electrolytics. The footprint I used for these caps is way too big so the board will end up looking funny when it's done. Sorry about that. This is a better goof than the footprint being way too small though. If you would like your board to look nice, go with a 10uF 450V cap and it'll be the right size. It will affect the circuit in no way.

Good luck and happy building!

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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby mozwell » 27 Jul 2018, 05:20

enjoy !
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby Yazoo55 » 28 Jul 2018, 20:44

Just a heads up, I clicked on the link in the first post and my browser started downloading a "Flash update" but not from the official Adobe site. I did not install it!
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby ppluis0 » 31 Jul 2018, 19:34

A good feature of this design is that work with non lethal voltages, as the tubes are feeding with rectified 24 Vac.

Nice to anyone interested to try an assembly with tubes without worry about shock hazards... 8)

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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby danielzink » 28 Oct 2018, 21:10

I've got one of these on my bench right now 85% built...

I'm struggling with space issues and the transformer.

I can make it work...but...

Seeing as the transformer spec'd is a 110v ac to 12v ac...

Is there a reason the board couldn't be powered with something like this ? : https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-100-220V ... 6689&psc=1
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby ppluis0 » 29 Oct 2018, 14:51

Hi Daniel,

12Vdc is OK to supply heaters, relays and other sections of this amp.
The tubes need more voltage to work according the expectations of this design. However they can be feed with 12 volts as we seen in tubecaster pedals, buth the sound is esaily distorted.
Try to build the charge pump of the following diagram. The 555 is happy to run with 12 Vdc instead of 10 as seen in the diagram and you can expect almost 32 volts at the end of the diode string:
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Complete info on voltage multiplier can be found here: http://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/artic ... r-circuits

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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby danielzink » 29 Oct 2018, 17:41

Dang it....

That wasn't the adapter I wanted to link to lol...

I was trying to link to a 115v ac to 12v ac adapter....

But those seem to in short supply....

Maybe something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-AC-Adapter- ... :rk:6:pf:0

Seems pretty robust.

12Vac output at 5a
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Re: Awesome tube preamp project: Top Drive

Postby danielzink » 29 Oct 2018, 17:59

I also took a chance and sent an email to Gino asking questions..

His reply was interesting...

Hey Dan,

Yeah, I did the layout for the Top Drive way back in the day. Attached are all of the files I have. As far as I know nobody, including the original designer, has actually built and tested one of these.

Feel free to ask me any questions you may have.


Nobody ?

Really ?

These PCB's are out there and no one has built it ?

Fingers crossed this thing works :D
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