Alpha pots = Fail

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Alpha pots = Fail

Postby mildew » 18 Feb 2015, 04:20

A month ago i put two linear Alpha pushpull pots in my prs dc22.

After a week, one pot failed - short circuit when turned up to 10.

Now the second one has failed with the same fault.

Contact cleaner failed to fix either one.

So for me, 100% fail rate within a month for Alpha pots...
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby Blitz Krieg » 18 Feb 2015, 08:30

bourns?
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby lolbou » 18 Feb 2015, 14:11

Overheated?
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby Dirk_Hendrik » 18 Feb 2015, 15:02

lolbou wrote:Overheated?

Exactly my thought earlier this morning. It's easy to blame the part but without any information it's far from sure the parts are to blame.
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby sinner » 18 Feb 2015, 18:30

I was going to blame overheating as well but didn't wanted to be a troll again
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby rocklander » 19 Feb 2015, 09:35

Blitz Krieg wrote:bourns?


lolbou wrote:Overheated?


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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby Jarno » 20 Feb 2015, 13:32

I use a fuckton of these in my modulair synth (not push pull though), no problems at all.
And contact cleaner in a virtually new pot?
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby CHEEZOR » 27 Feb 2015, 05:27

rocklander wrote:
Blitz Krieg wrote:bourns?


lolbou wrote:Overheated?


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I see what you did there. :lol:
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby mildew » 17 Mar 2015, 02:56

An update - retailer sent me a replacement for the first faulty pot.

the replacement lasted about a month before it went faulty like the other two, so i put the prs audio taper push/pull tone pot back in as a volume and it works perfectly.

so out of three alpha pushpulls, one lasted a week and the other two about a month.

they were the only pots ive ever had fail that couldnt be fixed with a squirt of contact cleaner - ive got guitars from the 80's where the pots are still fine.

I used the same 25w soldering iron the i use for everything else - these three alpha pushpulls are the first pots ive ever had fail.
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby phatt » 18 Mar 2015, 09:12

Not sure what has happened here but worth a note of caution;
Those pots are quite delicate, the weak link is those tiny rivets that hold the lugs. The connection between lugs and pads is only via contact pressure of rivet so just bending those solder lugs can make the connection intermittent and as mentioned overheating will weaken the rivet pressure on the joint.

If the lug can be moved from side to side then the rivet has lost it's grip and a high chance you will have trouble. I've revived a few simply by repressing the rivets. (Delicately of course)

If the pot is just scratchy then that is the pad to wiper connection failing or dirty, cleaner may help for a while but I've found if you have it apart you may as well replace it.

FWIW, I wrap a short piece of masking tape around the outside of the back cover which helps to keep blobs of solder and crap out of the working internal parts.
It also stops small insect critters from setting up house,,, you would be surprised where critters find homes :shock:
Hope it helps, Phil.

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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby deltafred » 18 Mar 2015, 10:10

Pots sometimes fail through no fault of their own!

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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby lolbou » 18 Mar 2015, 15:39

mildew wrote:An update - retailer sent me a replacement for the first faulty pot.

the replacement lasted about a month before it went faulty like the other two
Are these from different batches?

I would try both a different batch and a different man holding the iron. That would help finding whose fault it is... :wink:
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby Dirk_Hendrik » 19 Mar 2015, 09:04

Thanks Fred...

Now I have to clean the coffee spattered on my screen and dripping out of my nose.... :roll:
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby deltafred » 19 Mar 2015, 09:52

That was from a Strat that our guitarist bought very cheap, he asked me if I could have a look at it!

The switch worked after a clean but the pots went straight into the bin. It had an expensive set of pickups in that were worth several times what he'd paid for the whole guitar. They are now in one of his gigging guitars and some cheap ass pups went into that one.
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby DrNomis » 20 Mar 2015, 08:32

To be honest, I've never had a pot fail on me by going short-circuit, the ones that have failed on me have always gone open-circuit, there's at least two failure-modes I've seen in pots so far:


1, The solder lugs go lose where they're riveted to the resistive carbon track ends, and wiper connection on the phenolic substrate, the funny thing is I've noticed that certain values of pots seem to be more susceptible to this failure-mode than other values, the riveted joints tend to go lose due to heat-stress from overheating when soldering.


2,The carbon coating on the resistive track Flakes-off, due to the age of the pot or just mechanical wear, sometimes the flaking is enough to render the carbon track open-circuit.


My two cents worth..... :thumbsup
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby astrobass » 20 Mar 2015, 16:30

I've had the same experience as DrNomis. And I've never had a pot fail that wasn't particularly old or subjected to a clearly excessive amount of mechanical wear.
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby Fender3D » 20 Mar 2015, 19:59

Well,
I repaired a guitar which pot's solder lugs shorted to the shielding coating...

no pot's fault, of course...
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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby Ice-9 » 28 Mar 2015, 00:40

deltafred wrote:Pots sometimes fail through no fault of their own!

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Jeez, WTF that's a nuclear meltdown, ohh yeah baby ! (in an Austin Powers voice)
It's fairly straight forward, if you want to start it , press start. You can work out the rest of the controls for yourself !

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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby mildew » 19 May 2016, 01:04

I must apologise to Alpha for bagging their pots, turns out the "Alphas" that i purchased from realtone music were fakes - no date or manufacturer codes.

dont buy from realtone, some of what they sell is fake.

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Re: Alpha pots = Fail

Postby lolbou » 19 May 2016, 13:18

Good to know, thanks for the feedback! :thumbsup
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