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i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby leftfingaz » 03 Sep 2013, 04:23

i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer. can i use linear instead?
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby DrNomis » 03 Sep 2013, 05:10

leftfingaz wrote:i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer. can i use linear instead?



You can but you might find that in some cases the adjustment range might be a bit uneven, it will work though..... :thumbsup
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby leftfingaz » 03 Sep 2013, 05:29

DrNomis wrote:
leftfingaz wrote:i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer. can i use linear instead?



You can but you might find that in some cases the adjustment range might be a bit uneven, it will work though..... :thumbsup

is there will be a change in output sound? http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/p ... tscret.htm i read this, but i dont understand
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby DrNomis » 03 Sep 2013, 06:00

leftfingaz wrote:
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leftfingaz wrote:i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer. can i use linear instead?



You can but you might find that in some cases the adjustment range might be a bit uneven, it will work though..... :thumbsup

is there will be a change in output sound? http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/p ... tscret.htm i read this, but i dont understand



Providing that the value of the pot is the same, there should be no change in the sound, you'll just find that the range of adjustment might be all bunched up at one end, if the pot is being used to control the output level of a stompbox there should be no change in the tone of the sound you get, normally output level pots are logarithmic to give an apparently even response to the human ear, a linear pot should work fine as a gain control for an op-amp stage, again with no effect on the tone of the sound..... :thumbsup


Best way to know is to try it and see..... :thumbsup
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby leftfingaz » 03 Sep 2013, 12:16

thanks.. how about rev log?
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby aionios » 03 Sep 2013, 12:31

Apologies if this is super basic, but I've seen people ask this before who didn't know that 'audio' and 'logarithmic' are the same thing. So they couldn't find log pots, they could only find audio and linear, when audio is what they wanted. I'm just checking to make sure that's not the case here :)

Like others said, you can get the full range with either taper since the value is the same, but for some applications it could be very difficult to use a linear instead of a log. The full range of the control is bunched up on one end, so you have 90% of the rotation that doesn't do much and then 10% that goes so fast you can't fine-tune it. Using linear is OK for breadboarding and testing, but if you're building something to keep (or to give away) then try as hard as you can to get the correct taper.
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby leftfingaz » 03 Sep 2013, 13:40

aionios wrote:Apologies if this is super basic, but I've seen people ask this before who didn't know that 'audio' and 'logarithmic' are the same thing. So they couldn't find log pots, they could only find audio and linear, when audio is what they wanted. I'm just checking to make sure that's not the case here :)

Like others said, you can get the full range with either taper since the value is the same, but for some applications it could be very difficult to use a linear instead of a log. The full range of the control is bunched up on one end, so you have 90% of the rotation that doesn't do much and then 10% that goes so fast you can't fine-tune it. Using linear is OK for breadboarding and testing, but if you're building something to keep (or to give away) then try as hard as you can to get the correct taper.


i know audio and log is the same. also im in philippines. not all component are available here :( so i need to find a subtitute if the component im looking for is not available
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby DrNomis » 03 Sep 2013, 14:28

leftfingaz wrote:
aionios wrote:Apologies if this is super basic, but I've seen people ask this before who didn't know that 'audio' and 'logarithmic' are the same thing. So they couldn't find log pots, they could only find audio and linear, when audio is what they wanted. I'm just checking to make sure that's not the case here :)

Like others said, you can get the full range with either taper since the value is the same, but for some applications it could be very difficult to use a linear instead of a log. The full range of the control is bunched up on one end, so you have 90% of the rotation that doesn't do much and then 10% that goes so fast you can't fine-tune it. Using linear is OK for breadboarding and testing, but if you're building something to keep (or to give away) then try as hard as you can to get the correct taper.


i know audio and log is the same. also im in philippines. not all component are available here :( so i need to find a subtitute if the component im looking for is not available



If you can't find the right type of pot you need you could try ordering it online from one of the many electronic parts suppliers on the internet, Pedal Parts Plus Inc are a good one since they ship overseas.... :thumbsup


Just so you know, if a pot has an "A" next to it's value marking it's a Log (Audio) type, if it has a "B" next to it's value marking it's a Linear type.... :thumbsup
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby leftfingaz » 03 Sep 2013, 15:06

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aionios wrote:Apologies if this is super basic, but I've seen people ask this before who didn't know that 'audio' and 'logarithmic' are the same thing. So they couldn't find log pots, they could only find audio and linear, when audio is what they wanted. I'm just checking to make sure that's not the case here :)

Like others said, you can get the full range with either taper since the value is the same, but for some applications it could be very difficult to use a linear instead of a log. The full range of the control is bunched up on one end, so you have 90% of the rotation that doesn't do much and then 10% that goes so fast you can't fine-tune it. Using linear is OK for breadboarding and testing, but if you're building something to keep (or to give away) then try as hard as you can to get the correct taper.


i know audio and log is the same. also im in philippines. not all component are available here :( so i need to find a subtitute if the component im looking for is not available



If you can't find the right type of pot you need you could try ordering it online from one of the many electronic parts suppliers on the internet, Pedal Parts Plus Inc are a good one since they ship overseas.... :thumbsup


Just so you know, if a pot has an "A" next to it's value marking it's a Log (Audio) type, if it has a "B" next to it's value marking it's a Linear type.... :thumbsup


too expensive. life in philippines is very hard almost all filipino dont have credit card just like me. thanks by the way. :D all of my question has been answered
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby Lucifer » 03 Sep 2013, 17:39

The link already provided (http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/p ... tscret.htm) not only explains about pots, but shows you how you can get a linear pot to give a logarithmic type of response by adding a resistor or two.

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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby Relayer110 » 04 Sep 2013, 00:51

Here's a circuit that will provide some approximation of a Log curve using a Linear Pot.
I needed to come up with this as I needed to use Linear dual pots whereby one of the pots required a Log curve. The circuit idea is not mine, I found an article in a popular Australian magazine called, Silicon Chip on this conversion.
I hope it helps. :)
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby leftfingaz » 04 Sep 2013, 06:17

Relayer110 wrote:Here's a circuit that will provide some approximation of a Log curve using a Linear Pot.
I needed to come up with this as I needed to use Linear dual pots whereby one of the pots required a Log curve. The circuit idea is not mine, I found an article in a popular Australian magazine called, Silicon Chip on this conversion.
I hope it helps. :)
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby Liquitone » 04 Sep 2013, 11:58

Rev log is the exact opposite of log. In a logarithmic pot the resistance is more spread out on the first parts of the pots rotation, which is useful for for instance volume controls.
In a lot of LFO designs on for instance phasers, the speed knob requires a more spread out resistance at the other side of the pots rotation, so the changes in speed are spread out more evenly across the pot's rotation. If you use a logarithmic here and wire it backwards it will have the same response, only that when you turn the knob clockwise it will slow down instead of speeding up, which feels counter-intuitive.
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Re: i cant find a logarithmic potentiometer

Postby leftfingaz » 04 Sep 2013, 13:25

Liquitone wrote:Rev log is the exact opposite of log. In a logarithmic pot the resistance is more spread out on the first parts of the pots rotation, which is useful for for instance volume controls.
In a lot of LFO designs on for instance phasers, the speed knob requires a more spread out resistance at the other side of the pots rotation, so the changes in speed are spread out more evenly across the pot's rotation. If you use a logarithmic here and wire it backwards it will have the same response, only that when you turn the knob clockwise it will slow down instead of speeding up, which feels counter-intuitive.

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