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Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 09:43
by Didi&Stulle
seems like Earhquaker changed to multilayered pcbs lately :?

I found a lot of seemingly non-collected pads (I marked these blue), which seem to be connected on a non-visible layer, so I guess it wont make sense to put more effort into tracing my friend's board, right?
any ideas are welcome.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 10:56
by marshmellow
To me it looks like they are all connected to the top layer which is probably ground.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 15:09
by Intripped
not all of them:
there are some other traces on the top-layer of the PCB - i can see two running under the upper row of components
and the upper-left diode is not connected to the top layer... maybe it's really a 3 layers board

...what about taking some other pics from different angles, and one of the other side too? :)

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 15:26
by pietro_moog
even if it's a 3 layers board, i don't think it's gonna be too hard now. the first stage (a mosfet, cool idea) is basically traced, the eq part is pretty much understandable and for the rest of the circuit we almost have it. a rough schematic can help to visualize everything.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 16:01
by pietro_moog
so, basically, this is a mosfet input stage, eq, a jfet mu-amp and then a jfet buffer with 2 resistors and caps to cut the high end. cool.
what is that wire on the side of B-? i have some doubts on the part between the volume pot and the mu amp but the rest is pretty much figured out.

btw, i don't think this is a 3 layers board at all. the traces that we miss are on the top layer and under the components. the vastly majority of the top layer is ground.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 16:23
by Didi&Stulle
what is that wire on the side of B-?


you are right: the wire "B-" goes to the dc jack battery connection ... right next to the "B-" is a ground pad (G) that goes to the input jack.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 16:26
by johnk
pietro_moog wrote:so, basically, this is a mosfet input stage, eq, a jfet mu-amp and then a jfet buffer with 2 resistors and caps to cut the high end. cool.
what is that wire on the side of B-? i have some doubts on the part between the volume pot and the mu amp but the rest is pretty much figured out.

btw, i don't think this is a 3 layers board at all. the traces that we miss are on the top layer and under the components. the vastly majority of the top layer is ground.



I agree that it's most likely a 2 layer board. got any shots of the bottom of it?

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 16:46
by pietro_moog
this is a first schematic. maybe someone can work it in a software.
myself, i'm not sure of a few values, like the ones on the bs170, but the schematic should be this.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 18:15
by pietro_moog
i have some doubts on the 12k resistor before the eq, it looks like a strange value. can you measure it with a DMM?
and the 1k / 10k resistor from the bs170 leg is probably a 330Ω

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2014, 20:10
by Intripped
this is my RE:
something to verify
please read the notes within the images

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 09:57
by Intripped
... Didi&Stulle?

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 10:08
by Nocentelli
as yet unverified, sounds good on the breadboard:

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Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 17:58
by johnk
does you breadboard version sound like the original?
I also drew up a vero for it.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 18:26
by Nocentelli
No, and i'd advise holding fire until the schem has been looked at a bit more closely. Last night through headphones it sounded great, but after a longer play through a few amps at volume it doesn't seem right (to my ears). I've only got linear pots, but even taking that into account i have to crank the bass and roll the treble almost off or it is way too thin and harsh. I'll check over my breadboard layout carefully, but i wouldn't build the vero i posted as is.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 19:33
by pietro_moog
well, the schematic structure seems pretty reasonable now. the values too. log pots on the eq are pretty much important, you can see by yourself on the duncan simulator. btw, on the bass pot, 2.2nf and 22nd should be switched, 2.2 is between lug 3 and 2. that's a big reason because it doesn't sound right. and the 470pf treble bleeding cap on the gain is more harmful than useless. i cut those even in amps. the last 2 caps, 220pf and 100pf they could be chosen by preference. even the eq could be modeled after personal taste.
anyhow, this pedal looks cool, but it's just a mosfet boost cascading in a fet mu amp with an orange eq in between.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 19:38
by johnk
thanks!
looking at the gut shots, it appears that on your layout, the two 100K resistors on the lugs 2&3 of the bass pot should be 10K's. maybe that would give it more low end.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 20:10
by deafbutpicky
pietro_moog wrote:anyhow, this pedal looks cool, but it's just a mosfet boost cascading in a fet mu amp with an orange eq in between.


...there's still a chance to do it with three diodes and an opamp :P

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 20:30
by Intripped
looking at this pic of another previous version there's a 100E resistor near Q3 and Q4 (on the right in the image)

so probably this is the source resistor of the mu-amp (R17 referring to my schematic)


Image

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 15 Apr 2014, 20:50
by johnk
yep. that looks like a 100 ohm to me too.

I wish the op would've taken some pics on different angles of his REV2 so we could see some of the resistor and cap value markings better.

Re: earthquaker devices monarch [gut shot]

PostPosted: 16 Apr 2014, 02:45
by johnk
I built up my vero of it and it sounds great. the only thing is, is that it seems to have less gain than the video demos that I've seen. otherwise it's awesome.
if I can find a way to up the drive/dirt, it'll be perfect.