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Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 18 Jun 2009, 13:42
by BennyBoop
How will it sound with a Burr Brown OPA2134PA? Anyoune tried it?
What other IC's have you tested?

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 26 Jun 2009, 15:52
by mrkaploca
what are original transistors and IC???

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 26 Jun 2009, 16:24
by chicago_mike
lm353 or lf353 or something like that. Not your everyday tl072

I'll be building these for bass and will use opa 2134's I think. I really like those.

The npn/pnp's though Im not sure whats used there.

Re: BB Preamp, new layout!

Posted: 06 Jul 2009, 02:19
by mrkaploca
darkglass wrote:Hello, Im posting one layoout I designed with eagle for the BB Preamp, I used the schem traced by KHE founded in this forum...

So here it is!

Schem
http://darkfinn.googlepages.com/BBSchem.jpg

Layout
http://darkfinn.googlepages.com/Layout.jpg

And PCB
http://darkfinn.googlepages.com/BBPreampPCB.pdf

This layout is not verified though, I finished it yesterday, but Im quite sure it should work.

Best Regards

Douglas.

Enjoy
what about the output transistor here?+4,5V is not connected to base but to emmiter???

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 06 Jul 2009, 07:23
by Silent Fly
I am not convinced by the Q2 connections either... :hmmm:

Re: BB Preamp, new layout!

Posted: 09 Jul 2009, 23:28
by mrkaploca
darkglass wrote:Hello, Im posting one layoout I designed with eagle for the BB Preamp, I used the schem traced by KHE founded in this forum...

So here it is!

Schem

Image

Layout

Image

And PCB

http://darkfinn.googlepages.com/BBPreampPCB.pdf

This layout is not verified though, I finished it yesterday, but Im quite sure it should work.

Best Regards

Douglas.

Enjoy
I tried this version,not working.I fixed output transistor pinouts(original are not correct,Va should go to base not emmiter,and emmiter to ground.)but still doesnt work.does anybody have working layout??

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 10 Jul 2009, 08:44
by Silent Fly
The bias of Q2 doesn't look right. As a test, I suggest you try pick up the signal from terminal 2 of the LEVEL potentiometer. If you hear a sound it's Q2. The connections of IC2A also look wrong.

I would recommend you have a look to this version.

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 10 Jul 2009, 15:35
by mrkaploca
Silent Fly wrote:The bias of Q2 doesn't look right. As a test, I suggest you try pick up the signal from terminal 2 of the LEVEL potentiometer. If you hear a sound it's Q2. The connections of IC2A also look wrong.

I would recommend you have a look to this version.
yes but I am realy bad in layout designing so I ask if somebody has working layout.I have a gig in france for 6 days and I realy need to finihs it till then!!!!!!!!HELP

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 15 Jul 2009, 13:28
by zxbreak
Hi!
Help me with a small questions.
BB PLUS preamp has a B>A and A>B channel selector. But how? :shock: Relays? DPDTs? or?
In the Zvex Box of Rock have been realized as A(on\off)>B(on\off) chanel only.

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 24 Jul 2009, 14:51
by mrkaploca
Da Cat wrote:Thanks kusi, you the man :D
and the corected version:
Image
Image
OK,I ve built this version,engaged it and all I got is a HUM.Every pot is responding,difference can be heard when I turn gain pot,bass,treble,and the volume increases,but ll that is comming out is a hum sound no metter what you play(no distortion,no nothing).What could be the problem??
Thnx!!

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 24 Jul 2009, 16:21
by madbean
Re-flow your solder. You might have a solder bridge somewhere.

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 27 Jul 2009, 15:26
by mrkaploca
madbean wrote:Re-flow your solder. You might have a solder bridge somewhere.
No,that's not the case,I rechecked all the paths.What else causes only hum sound.Transistors must be ok soldered or else there wouldn't be any sound at all??IC's????Someone help!!

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 28 Jul 2009, 01:35
by modman
mrkaploca wrote:
madbean wrote:Re-flow your solder. You might have a solder bridge somewhere.
No,that's not the case,I rechecked all the paths.What else causes only hum sound.Transistors must be ok soldered or else there wouldn't be any sound at all??IC's????Someone help!!
You used a layout that somebody said was/you hope is verified. In that case and in fact always, you should check your build against a correct schematic or use the Audio Probe to trace your guitar signal.

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 28 Jul 2009, 06:32
by TheLemon
mrkaploca wrote:
Da Cat wrote:Thanks kusi, you the man :D
and the corected version:
Image
Image
OK,I ve built this version,engaged it and all I got is a HUM.Every pot is responding,difference can be heard when I turn gain pot,bass,treble,and the volume increases,but ll that is comming out is a hum sound no metter what you play(no distortion,no nothing).What could be the problem??
Thnx!!
You might have a grounding issue, maybe a connection missed

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 28 Jul 2009, 11:21
by Da Cat
Hmm, my bb is working fine with this layout i made....
Hum sounds like a ground problem. Check the power filtering diode going to ground - orientation!
Check the schematics kusi posted - i made layout after that one.
And also check the transistors - try 2n5088 or 2n3904.

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 29 Jul 2009, 15:04
by mrkaploca
Da Cat wrote:Hmm, my bb is working fine with this layout i made....
Hum sounds like a ground problem. Check the power filtering diode going to ground - orientation!
Check the schematics kusi posted - i made layout after that one.
And also check the transistors - try 2n5088 or 2n3904.
I changed 2sc1815 transistors to 2n5088 and I finally made it work.Everything works fine except when I increase the gain potentiometer-then there is alot of background noise(hum)present :hmmm: .It can not be heard when I play but when I stop a noise appears.On a very low gain values it's ok.I put 1M log pot instead of linear one and I put 20k resistor(on the second gain stage of the first IC)instead of 19k.Can that cause the problem?
Sorry guys I torture u but I wanna make it right ,I really like the sound of bb preamp!!!
thnx!!!!

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 31 Jul 2009, 09:20
by mrkaploca
anybody with good advice??

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 04 Aug 2009, 16:13
by mrkaploca
mrkaploca wrote:
Da Cat wrote:Hmm, my bb is working fine with this layout i made....
Hum sounds like a ground problem. Check the power filtering diode going to ground - orientation!
Check the schematics kusi posted - i made layout after that one.
And also check the transistors - try 2n5088 or 2n3904.
I changed 2sc1815 transistors to 2n5088 and I finally made it work.Everything works fine except when I increase the gain potentiometer-then there is alot of background noise(hum)present :hmmm: .It can not be heard when I play but when I stop a noise appears.On a very low gain values it's ok.I put 1M log pot instead of linear one and I put 20k resistor(on the second gain stage of the first IC)instead of 19k.Can that cause the problem?
Sorry guys I torture u but I wanna make it right ,I really like the sound of bb preamp!!!
thnx!!!!
So guys what could be the fault??increasing the gain pot a background noise (hum)appears!!!! :slap: :slap: :slap:

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 05 Aug 2009, 15:39
by ODwan
Hi!
Could be bad filtering of the power supply --> try with battery.
Could be hum pickup from external source like mains wire, transformers, lighting..... either through guitar pu's or circuitry.
Is the circuit shielded/in a box?
Hope this helps some!
Timo

Re: Xotic - BB Preamp

Posted: 28 Aug 2009, 17:59
by diggum12
Has anyone tried this without the buffers? I may try it this weekend if I get time.