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Postby N0F1 » 11 Dec 2007, 20:42

but I can plainly hear tone as excellent - good - fairly good - not so good - youch and jeez.....


Take Hendrix's tone, and now take Steve Albini's tone in his old band called Big Black. The latter is one of the angriest, ear piercing out of phase bitcrushed-like distorted whatever guitar sounds... now both those players have "excellent tone" to my ears, yet their guitar sounds couldn't be further apart.
To me they have "excellent tone" because it is their own (sort of signature) sound, that suited their style, suited the atmosphere they wanted to create and the approach of existence they wanted to convey perfectly. So basically good tone was probably a very different thing for Hendrix than it is for Albini, and good tone is not a predertermined recepy or a general concept.

So if i may, do you plainly hear what i'm trying to say ?

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Postby soulsonic » 11 Dec 2007, 20:53

"Good" tone is 100% subjective. I had a guitar instructor who was a tone snob and I thought his "sweet tone" was an awful compressed mess.

Greg, I like the tone of Guitar Skiiiiiiiinnnnggg too. I like how it works musically with the overall sound of the group, and I like how it mocks what other guitarists think sound good. See my posts in the thread discussing the Harmonic Percolator.
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Postby analogguru » 11 Dec 2007, 21:00

Hmmm.... since I never listened to "albini" (only know Al Bano & Romina Power) maybe somebody can explain me:

What do Hendrix and this "Alibini" have in common with:
Carlos Santana, Ritchie Blackmore, David Gilmour, Brian May, Gary Moore, Joe Satriani, Craig Chaquico.... ?

They have in common that you can listen to their music and their sound....
At least Hendrix is far away from that....

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Postby grolschie » 11 Dec 2007, 21:19

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Postby soulsonic » 11 Dec 2007, 21:24

Steve Albini's guitar sound is a noisy mess with a shrill nasty top-end that's intended to annoy conservative folks.

Here's a great example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn0PVZtvpgE

Albini is the skinny guy with glasses who's singing and making all that terrible noise with his junky guitar. It's punk music and it's not supposed to have a "great tone". I like it because I like punk music. But, I also like David Gilmour... I think people are allowed to like both.
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Postby bajaman » 11 Dec 2007, 22:18

:lol: Bye bye Bob - i may be a "wanker" (your words), but as the old saying goes - "it takes one to know one" :wink:
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Postby PurplePeopleEater » 11 Dec 2007, 22:28

Why do people get so upset about resistors, capacitors, and wire ? I mean, it's not rocket science or anything, and most (99.9%) or the circuits discussed here are highly derivative of classic, well known circuits. The only remotely original one I can think of is the Klon, and even that has it's roots in a basic opamp clipper. We're not curing cancer, sending a man to Mars, or doing anything that will make a zillion bucks...besides, as Fuller has proven, "originality" isn't what makes money selling pedals...."marketing" and building a good quality product is.

Who cares if someone clones another tubescreamer ? If they can't effectively build it and market it, what does it matter ?

"Trades secrets".... "IP"...give me a break...it's all stolen ideas to start with.
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Postby bajaman » 11 Dec 2007, 22:32

"Trades secrets".... "IP"...give me a break...it's all stolen ideas to start with

exactly - okay - Must go now - I have a reverb tank drive coil to rewind :lol: :wink:
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Postby Greg » 11 Dec 2007, 23:15

lrgrbt wrote:Your quite the "Bugger" aren't you? I had a "bloke" who was from NZ work for me for 10 years, He turned out to be a "wanker "as well. two for two from the little Island down under...


Let's dump on a whole country based our experience with 2 people....
Nice one

And... it took you 10 years to figure out you didn't like the guy that worked for you ??
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Postby bajaman » 12 Dec 2007, 00:37

it took you 10 years to figure out you didn't like the guy that worked for you ??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
nice one Greg :)
just to clear something up for you Bob - New Zealand is not a little island downunder - it actually comprises 3 Islands - North Island, South Island (where I exist) and Stewart Island ( a smaller island off the southern tip of the South Island ).
Do not take things so seriously Bob :wink:
you are most welcome to visit our little islands anytime you wish - come for a holiday - but be warned, you may want to stay in our friendly paradise down in the South Pacific. we have many Americans who have settled here - they are made most welcome by all.
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Postby bajaman » 12 Dec 2007, 00:41

Ever so slightly off topic - how many of you here remeber what the internet used to be called when it was just a twinkle in a Bulletin Board's eye :wink:














"The Information Super Highway" - not the advertiser's wet dream
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Postby Greg » 12 Dec 2007, 00:45

bajaman wrote:
it took you 10 years to figure out you didn't like the guy that worked for you ??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
nice one Greg :)
just to clear something up for you Bob - New Zealand is not a little island downunder - it actually comprises 3 Islands - North Island, South Island (where I exist) and Stewart Island ( a smaller island off the southern tip of the South Island ).
Do not take things so seriously Bob :wink:
you are most welcome to visit our little islands anytime you wish - come for a holiday - but be warned, you may want to stay in our friendly paradise down in the South Pacific. we have many Americans who have settled here - they are made most welcome by all.
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Most of New Zealand is beautiful... except for that one place that smells of sulphur, and smoke pours from the ground constantly... Oh , and it's really cold right down the bottom of the south island... :D
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Postby The Rotagilla » 12 Dec 2007, 00:59

bajaman wrote:Ever so slightly off topic - how many of you here remeber what the internet used to be called when it was just a twinkle in a Bulletin Board's eye :wink:

I used to play an early online RPG called Federation/Federation II on GEnie back in '89 or '90. Damn I'm getting old.
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Postby Blues Lyne » 12 Dec 2007, 03:09

bajaman wrote:
it took you 10 years to figure out you didn't like the guy that worked for you ??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
nice one Greg :)
just to clear something up for you Bob - New Zealand is not a little island downunder - it actually comprises 3 Islands - North Island, South Island (where I exist) and Stewart Island ( a smaller island off the southern tip of the South Island ).
Do not take things so seriously Bob :wink:
you are most welcome to visit our little islands anytime you wish - come for a holiday - but be warned, you may want to stay in our friendly paradise down in the South Pacific. we have many Americans who have settled here - they are made most welcome by all.
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I had a friend who visited NZ. He came back ready to pack up the wife and kids and head back there. Apparently the wife had something to say about it, because he's still here!
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Postby jakerandall » 12 Dec 2007, 03:15

NZ is amazing except for those days when you guys have skin melting heat. And some of the poisonous wildlife scares me. But damn its amazing, and also home to the best circuit ever designed. That hotcake is fantastic.
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Postby seniorLoco » 12 Dec 2007, 03:19

jakerandall wrote:NZ is amazing except for those days when you guys have skin melting heat. And some of the poisonous wildlife scares me. But damn its amazing, and also home to the best circuit ever designed. That hotcake is fantastic.


I think you got Australia mistaken for NZ :wink:
Down in NZ they ate most of the wild life :lol:
"Curiosity may have killed the cat, but it saved the mice, who ate the cheese."
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Postby bajaman » 12 Dec 2007, 04:33

And some of the poisonous wildlife scares me

okay we do have a few pacific islanders from Samoa and Tonga etc., but they are not poisonous - 40 million sheep can hardly be classed as wildlife :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Donnerbox » 12 Dec 2007, 05:09

just curious but where is Old Zealand ?
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Postby jakerandall » 12 Dec 2007, 05:20

I just dont like the idea of:

The katipo (Latrodectus katipo) and the redback spider (Latrodectus hasselti)

spiders that can kill :shock:
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Postby seniorLoco » 12 Dec 2007, 05:59

"Again we have been told that the number one killer overall in throughout Africa is not the hippo or crocidile. It is actually the coconut. No I am not joking. More people die every year from coconut falling on their head than any animal attacks."

:lol:
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