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Catalinbread CB30

Postby mmolteratx » 14 Jul 2011, 04:36

Got this in last week but I didn't have any desoldering bread up until today. So here it is. I'm not entirely sure about the 470p coupling cap and the 47p cap in the tonestack. They're those little blue ceramics with the codes 471 and 47 stamped on them, respectively. They seem odd to me. Anyways, on to pics.

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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby atreidesheir » 14 Jul 2011, 05:01

They're those little blue ceramics with the codes 471 and 47 stamped on them, respectively.


I believe you have AC capacitors there.
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby atreidesheir » 14 Jul 2011, 05:04

HIgh voltage. maybe
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby mmolteratx » 14 Jul 2011, 05:06

They're rated at 1kV. I just took a look at the English Channel schem and the 470p/47p caps make sense. What about the 470k/330p combo from drain to gate on Q1? Localized feedback of some sort?
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby mcaviel » 14 Jul 2011, 09:40

:hmmm: i wonder why he put two 100nf and 220nf as electrolytics.
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby RnFR » 14 Jul 2011, 12:18

mmolteratx wrote:They're rated at 1kV. I just took a look at the English Channel schem and the 470p/47p caps make sense. What about the 470k/330p combo from drain to gate on Q1? Localized feedback of some sort?

that's what it looks like. possibly to quell oscillation? although, I would think that the 470K would reduce the feedback immensely.
mcaviel wrote::hmmm: i wonder why he put two 100nf and 220nf as electrolytics.

$$$. at least they look like they are the "audio grade" low leakage/ESR variety.

the soldering does look a bit dodgy. it seems as though many of the joints were deeply cut into with a flush cutter. not good practice. a better way would be to cut the leads first, then solder. that way you don't put any risk to the joint. right, Dirk? :wink:
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby mmolteratx » 14 Jul 2011, 20:20

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mmolteratx wrote:They're rated at 1kV. I just took a look at the English Channel schem and the 470p/47p caps make sense. What about the 470k/330p combo from drain to gate on Q1? Localized feedback of some sort?

that's what it looks like. possibly to quell oscillation? although, I would think that the 470K would reduce the feedback immensely.
mcaviel wrote::hmmm: i wonder why he put two 100nf and 220nf as electrolytics.

$$$. at least they look like they are the "audio grade" low leakage/ESR variety.


Most likely it's for mojo. I've seen a few posts from Nic talking about using different types of capacitors for different positions.

the soldering does look a bit dodgy. it seems as though many of the joints were deeply cut into with a flush cutter. not good practice. a better way would be to cut the leads first, then solder. that way you don't put any risk to the joint. right, Dirk? :wink:


Yea, a couple joints seem to be held together by small drops that didn't make it all the way through as well. I'll be touching up a couple before I put it back in the enclosure. The 1/2W carbon comp in the feedback path is odd. And there's an electro positioned backwards from the way the silkscreen indicates. A couple caps aren't flush with the board. A number of "problems" I've never seen before in a Catalinbread build.
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby bajaman » 14 Jul 2011, 22:26

yes - that input coupling electro is the wrong way around on the schematic!! :wink:
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby bajaman » 14 Jul 2011, 22:28

AND that 220n electro looks like it is reversed as well - possibly on purpose :scratch: :hmmm:
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby mmolteratx » 14 Jul 2011, 22:37

The input cap and 220n electro from source to gate on Q4 are as they're placed and as the silkscreen shows on the board. The 100n before Q5 is the one that's placed in the opposite direction of the silkscreen and is drawn as it appears. It is odd for sure.
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby mmolteratx » 14 Jul 2011, 22:44

Here's the 100n input cap:
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Here's the 220n cap from Source to Gate of Q4 (marked Q3 on the silkscreen):
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And here's the 100n cap that has the "wrong" orientation when looking at the silkscreen:
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby mmolteratx » 15 Jul 2011, 05:34

Anyone want anymore pics? I'm about to box this back up.
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby ShortScaleMike » 15 Jul 2011, 13:45

Unverified - corrections and build reports welcome as always.

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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby roseblood11 » 16 Jul 2011, 14:09

ShortScaleMike wrote:Yes I am not proud of C7


Why not use one more column? 21 holes fit in a Hammond 1590B...

Can someone please measure the current draw at 18V? I´d like to build a version with integrated voltage doubler based on the ICL7660S and with a JFET-Treble Booster in front of the CB-30. I guess that the ICL7660S should work with both circuits, at least if the bypass LED's run at 9V only.
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby roseblood11 » 16 Jul 2011, 14:21

Is the schematic really correct? At least the 680nF film cap in parallel with the 22µF power filtering cap doesn´t make any sense to me. I often use 100nF ceramic there to improve the filtering at higher frequencies, but why use a much more expensive and larger film cap there? :hmmm:
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby mmolteratx » 16 Jul 2011, 14:51

roseblood11 wrote:Can someone please measure the current draw at 18V? I´d like to build a version with integrated voltage doubler based on the ICL7660S and with a JFET-Treble Booster in front of the CB-30. I guess that the ICL7660S should work with both circuits, at least if the bypass LED's run at 9V only.


I gotta find my 18V supply but I should be able to measure it sometime this weekend.

roseblood11 wrote:Is the schematic really correct? At least the 680nF film cap in parallel with the 22µF power filtering cap doesn´t make any sense to me. I often use 100nF ceramic there to improve the filtering at higher frequencies, but why use a much more expensive and larger film cap there? :hmmm:


I've traced it twiced and came up with the same thing both times. The power filtering is a little :scratch: to me as well but it's definitely a 680nF cap in parallel with the 22uF. It's a large Panasonic film with the code 684 printed on the side and a Nichicon FG electro with 22uF printed on the side.
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby ShortScaleMike » 18 Jul 2011, 09:40

Thanks for the corrections and advice guys, I think I've fixed the area around the output of the section mu amp stage and also the C7 crapness, as always, input welcome.

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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby roseblood11 » 18 Jul 2011, 23:43

The layout shows a direct connection from "Gain 2" to "Bass 2". :hmmm:
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby roseblood11 » 18 Jul 2011, 23:45

= missing trace cut at g12
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Re: Catalinbread CB30 [Guts, Schem]

Postby ShortScaleMike » 19 Jul 2011, 08:54

Good spot! sorry about that.

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