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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 24 Mar 2018, 09:00

i see a 10kb pot instead of the 1kb why :?:
i will wait for your result before building my other proto
for this revision i think the 15k you have in ic1 is at 10k ( the 2 values work )
using ne570 or sa571 ? ( think the 570 need the 8k2 resistor ) i don't have try without this
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby Mr.TYR » 25 Mar 2018, 13:45

Hi guys
My box is not a Schaffer Replica clone, but it works the same way.https://www.facebook.com/mr.tyr.booster/
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby Mr.TYR » 25 Mar 2018, 16:33

My device is with an optical limiter , dynamic noise gate, buffered bypass and pre / de emphasis. ICs are 2x TL072 and SA571.The function corresponds to the TSR Tower.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby EddieTavares » 26 Mar 2018, 13:29

Mr.TYR

What do you intend to do? Sell your gadget or share information?
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby Mr.TYR » 26 Mar 2018, 15:55

EddieTavares wrote:Mr.TYR

What do you intend to do? Sell your gadget or share information?

Selling. However, I can provide information on pre/ de emphasis, for TSR very important.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 13 Apr 2018, 17:53

my last proto :
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for the rev3 like my prototype the " diode" 43a 48a is the key , i don't have fond a good alternative at the moment but i try ^^
i have used Schottky diode like mbr 150 and 1n5817 to try it seem to work but not perfect at the moment
maybe a zener + a schottky diode lol
i will test to find that

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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 15 May 2018, 09:14

there is the work of patrice and me :D
tsr rev 3

traces :
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last schematic:
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last layout :
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last components list:
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at the moment i don t have the good equivalent to the coponent d3 :-(

what do you think ?

pic of d3 :
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 15 May 2018, 09:49

inside my proto :
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby triplesevener » 09 Jul 2018, 08:30

I don't think 10nF is right for C7. That creates a lowpass filter and completely destroys the pre-emphasis. I think 100pF is right.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby nkay24 » 13 Jul 2018, 07:40

i've built this with boby6kiler's latest layout, changing c7 to 100pf as triplesevener suggusted, it does work and sound good, but im also stuck on the D3 diode. There is a bit of hiss in the sound without the D3 diode connected, i've tried a few diodes that i have on hand, no difference with 1n4148, 1n4742, 1n4749, 1n4004, 1n5817, sr560. I did have partial success with a 1n4739, but it heats up and blows within about 20 seconds, but it does remove the hiss and work properly temporarily. I tried running it on 9v and it is hiss free without D3 in the circuit, its a bit more compressed than running at 12v but still very usable. I've got 1n4761 on order so ill try one of those when they arrive. Anyone have any ideas on the value of the D3 diode?
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby marshmellow » 13 Jul 2018, 08:56

Leave it out. That power supply section drawing is a mess. If it's a standard silicon or schottky diode, it doesn't do anything. If it is a zener, then the 10R resistor is definitely wrong. I don't see any reason why the supply voltage should be dropped at that point. It will run fine on 9V or 12V.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby EddieTavares » 14 Jul 2018, 01:37

nkay24, marshmellow

The ps section emulates the same voltages as the transmitter (9v battery supply) and the the receiver (12v internal ps), however, they could not simulate the first NE570 half at 9v and the other half at 12v... Probably it does not affect the final result.

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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 14 Jul 2018, 04:59

i have do the same work in rev 2 with pics and infos
if someone want to work on it tell me i can post here
the rev 2 sound good ,more bassy then my proto of rev3

i have send all to apollo long time ago to try but no news :-(

we need just 4 ou 5 values of component all the rest is verified
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby ppluis0 » 05 Sep 2018, 18:09

Hello boys,

It is not my intention to bother with the great development that you are doing here, but I think we are being deceived by the gossip of the manufacturer of this replica about the need or the "magic" of including a compandor IC.

The need to compress and expand the audio signal is to improve wireless transmission, but if the idea is to reduce this to pedal format it would not be necessary to do this process.

Think that the system is an FM transmitter (on the player's guitar belt) plus two channel receiver, and solely the audio path are "replicated": Image

I imagine that the purpose of use an LM388 was to drive a transformer to deal with the XLR output :roll:
Look at the trannie near that power audio chip at the bottom right of this image:
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If we analyze the circuit already obtained we could completely eliminate the SA571, join with a wire the legs 6 and 10 at the socket of that chip. In this way we will have an opamp handling the input of a 2W audio chip, which would resemble all this to a Lovepedal Black Magic, Jubilee or the like, but using different audio amp than the LM386.

Perhaps the "magic" reside only in the buffering action of this chip without have to drive an loudspeaker ??

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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby EddieTavares » 06 Sep 2018, 01:09

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Do you tried one?
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby ppluis0 » 06 Sep 2018, 03:02

Saudações Eddie,

Just discover this thread today and search the web about read more on this replica. I'm currently involved in other time consuming projects, but will breadboard the schematic discussed here ASAP to see what can hear.

I'm in doubt that the use of a compressor-expander IC merely chained as this manufacturer does -with the surrounding passive component values that appear in the schematic- make the desired sound.

If in the mentioned chip at one of the boards already built and running by participants of this thread can be tied its input and output pins to the outer tabs of a spdt and from the central contact feed the LM380 with a pre or post processed signal, we can confirm the need (or redundancy) to place a compander at the flip of this switch.

I hope to read what Mictester think about this subject, due their expertise employing this IC's

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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby EddieTavares » 06 Sep 2018, 12:56

Bom dia Zé.

SVDS is a mic wirelless system modified to work with guitar.

Something that I realise when I was teenager comparing some wireless mic and wired ones: when we expand a compressed signal it does not sound always like the original signal, it sounds more like a compressor in addiction it bossts some frequencies.

I breadboarded that circuit various arrangements and I have no doubt that the heart of that circuit is the compander chip, I tried a IC gain stage (tl072 like mxr microamp), LM386 and LM380 in the output booster with almost no difference.

Grande abraço.
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