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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby GeoffroyLux » 19 Dec 2017, 13:59

That's great Patricef :applause:

Will working on it :thumbsup
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby The Rotagilla » 19 Dec 2017, 16:32

My attempt, not verified yet.

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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 20 Dec 2017, 12:58

nice :D
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby EddieTavares » 20 Dec 2017, 15:00

Something that would really help us is if you mesure the voltages of v+1, v+2, v+3 and the pin 3 of IC1.

I think that D1, D3, D4 and D8 are all 2,2uf caps. There is a component that connects the pin 2 of the input potentiometer to de ground, is it R1?
R7 and C2 are the pre-emphasis rc filter and R11 and C14 is the de-emphasis, it shapes the tone and I believe that it boosts some mids or low-mids.

Really great job Rotagilla!
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby The Rotagilla » 20 Dec 2017, 17:34

EddieTavares wrote:Something that would really help us is if you mesure the voltages of v+1, v+2, v+3 and the pin 3 of IC1.


I'll see what I can do over the weekend.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby patricef » 20 Dec 2017, 21:32

L1 is just a ripple filter : https://www.mouser.com/catalog/specshee ... Series.pdf, V1 should be around 12V
I think R19 should be 1k not 10k, then V2 is around 6V.
Beside the power supply, it looks like the schematic above and mine are very similar, using a SE571 instead of NE570. I measured some capacitors so there are some little differences (and mistakes) but overall it's the same building blocks:
- OP Amp preamp
- compressor
. OP Amp buffer (unit gain)
- compander
- boost (LM380)
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby bmxguitarsbmx » 21 Dec 2017, 05:21

Isn't the key to the whole thing that the original had a user adjustable compression, but factory set expansion? I would expect to see two different values of caps on pin1 vs pin16. (as a wild ass guess)
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby EddieTavares » 26 Dec 2017, 22:28

Guys, I've tried that on my breadboard. I believe that the patricef's schematic is a little more accurate but there is some component values that I think they are incorrect:

- There is a small capacitor that connects pin 5 and 7 that is not listed in the schematic, maybe 100 pf.
- C7 100 nf is probably 100 pf;
- C21 at 100nf mutes the signal, I tried smaller values like 10n but it makes the lm380 oscillate, values even smaller or makes it oscillate or does not affect the tone but seems to sound a little bit noisier.
- C18 should be Ok but when I change it to higher values it sounds fatter what can be better to Strat like guitars.

Maybe other values are incorrect but I believe that are all Ok.

I can't compare side by side but I think that it work alike, It's a clean booster that makes easier to use the volume control as gain control i addiction it makes the picking more "gain-responsible" much more than other overdrive or booster that I've played.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby patricef » 03 Jan 2018, 17:32

EddieTavares wrote:Guys, I've tried that on my breadboard. I believe that the patricef's schematic is a little more accurate but there is some component values that I think they are incorrect:

- There is a small capacitor that connects pin 5 and 7 that is not listed in the schematic, maybe 100 pf.
- C7 100 nf is probably 100 pf;
- C21 at 100nf mutes the signal, I tried smaller values like 10n but it makes the lm380 oscillate, values even smaller or makes it oscillate or does not affect the tone but seems to sound a little bit noisier.
- C18 should be Ok but when I change it to higher values it sounds fatter what can be better to Strat like guitars.

Maybe other values are incorrect but I believe that are all Ok.

I can't compare side by side but I think that it work alike, It's a clean booster that makes easier to use the volume control as gain control i addiction it makes the picking more "gain-responsible" much more than other overdrive or booster that I've played.

I've tried to measure the capacitors that are not marked but it's not accurate.
- C7 is probably 100pF like on the other schematic.
- C1 is probably 15pF.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby EddieTavares » 11 Jan 2018, 17:16

patricef, thank you for your job!!!

Capacimeters does not mesure efficiently when a capacitor is connected in parallel with a resistor or other component because it uses CA signal to do it, but don't worry, don't try to remove those caps to mesure if you are not sure that you can do it without damages. I think that now we have traced approximately 95% or more.

- C1 I tried several values to between 100pf and 1uf and I am almost sure that C1 is 100n.
- C18 if you tried to mesure C18 in the same way probably 4.7nf is wrong.

This two C1 and C18 caps are in the pre/de emphasis CR circuits, they are important but in the earlier units there is no C1 and R2 what makes me think that the earlier units where less brighter or they use used other method to emphasizes highs in the compression half.

The other thing that I have thinking about is that in Rotagilla's schematic there is a lm317 to reduce the voltage that feeds the op amp and compander and in patricef's schematic there is twoo "spare" resistors r15 and r17 they probably are a voltage divider what feeds at the max 6v all the circuit but the lm380.

Thank you guys!
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby apollomusicservice » 14 Jan 2018, 17:25

I made some my drawing for this project but there is some incongruity with this PCB picture and schematic. There is no R2 C2 components on this PCB, also I traced only from top side and I don't have some values. Work is still in process so the corrections are on the way.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 14 Jan 2018, 18:53

thanks :applause: :popcorn:
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby caspercody » 15 Jan 2018, 02:18

Thanks
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby EddieTavares » 15 Jan 2018, 02:34

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This pcb founded in the Solo Dallas website is probably one prototype, R2, C2 and other missing components just apears in the comercial units.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby apollomusicservice » 15 Jan 2018, 12:11

EddieTavares wrote:apollomusicservice

This pcb founded in the Solo Dallas website is probably one prototype, R2, C2 and other missing components just apears in the comercial units.

OK, I made components drawing using this picture.
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 16 Jan 2018, 14:33

i have a layout with the patricef schematic
http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2018/01/ ... 468287.png
it is not compact but it is a try ^^
trace not visible in the pics under lm 833,ne570,lm380,r13,c1,c13,c19,c23
i have omited the led part to do it externally
the layout can be cut after c13 to reduce the volume ( in sandwitch )
the 8,2k r14 is not present on others schematic and maybe a 22pf to add i dont know
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby Saruman » 16 Jan 2018, 14:54

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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » 17 Jan 2018, 15:42

hello here it is my last layout but unverified
http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2018/01/ ... 472888.png
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » Yesterday, 11:05

the last ^^
http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2018/01/ ... 474955.png
i will reduce a little that with the final schematic :D
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Re: Solo Dallas - SVDS Replica

Postby boby6kiler » Yesterday, 14:53

more compact here
http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2018/01/ ... 475442.png

cuts not visible :
-c1( f3 )
-c21( m27 )
-r4 ( a26 )
-r13 ( b14 )
-lm833 ( b10 /c10 / d10 / e10 )
-lm380 ( i27 / j27 / k27 )
-ne 570 ( g13 / h13 / i13 / j13/ k13 / l13 / m13 / n13 )

double link in l26

a1 to pin 2 power
b32 to 12/15vdc
f32 to pin 3 boost
all the p is gnd

if the lm 833 don t need the gnd in pin 4 just open in e6
22pf can be added easy if nedded

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