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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby cacophony » 15 Jun 2009, 16:40

Hi! I just made King of [K]lones of madbean a few months ago. I must say, it is by far the most amazing overdriven tone I have ever heard my entire life! Thanks madbean! :D
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby distortion_gfx1 » 22 Jun 2009, 07:49

madbean wrote:Here is the updated King of [K]lones board I alluded to some months ago. It is an improved layout with no jumpers. Have at it!
I do have a newer board that has the full KOT circuit with internal dip switches like the original. That is available through my PCB service. Of course, you can use the King of [K]lones board to do the full circuit...just put two in one box!
Print the PnP image at 600DPI for an exact match. The other two docs are 300DPI.

cool layout! :: :applause:
tnx alot madbean :applause:
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby g0d5_g1ft » 26 Jun 2009, 05:47

hi I dont get the print at 600dpi thing, I downloaded the gif, set my printer's resolution to 600dpi, and still the image is huge for a pedal. do I need to do anything else to the gif?

edit: nevermind i got it... :oops:
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Postby madmac » 17 Aug 2009, 12:37

Hi guys.

I had not noticed this high gain option for the KOT before on the AM website

http://www.analogman.com/kingtone.htm
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Postby Greg » 17 Aug 2009, 13:08

madmac wrote:Hi guys.

I had not noticed this high gain option for the KOT before on the AM website

http://www.analogman.com/kingtone.htm


I just noticed it too, I guess it's pretty new.
I doubt it's anything radical.. :mrgreen:
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby grolschie » 18 Aug 2009, 01:07

cacophony wrote:Hi! I just made King of [K]lones of madbean a few months ago. I must say, it is by far the most amazing overdriven tone I have ever heard my entire life! Thanks madbean! :D


Cool. Is yours the single version or double version?
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby highway jones » 12 Sep 2009, 00:19

Did anyone find this build extremely bright? I'm not completely sure if I have not made a mistake but with the tone backed all the way off it is tolerable. The drive is weaker than I expected as well which has me to believe that maybe I have lost the low end somewhere and only the high frequencies are clipping. Assuming I made a mistake, is there one place I should focus my search?

If I did not make a mistake, which caps should I socket and replace to tune the circuit to my liking? I'm using the KT66 layout (thanks a bunch) and I too omitted the treble control.

Thanks,

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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby omarhowe » 18 Sep 2009, 03:09

highway jones wrote:Did anyone find this build extremely bright? I'm not completely sure if I have not made a mistake but with the tone backed all the way off it is tolerable. The drive is weaker than I expected as well which has me to believe that maybe I have lost the low end somewhere and only the high frequencies are clipping. Assuming I made a mistake, is there one place I should focus my search?

If I did not make a mistake, which caps should I socket and replace to tune the circuit to my liking? I'm using the KT66 layout (thanks a bunch) and I too omitted the treble control.

Thanks,

Jason





hi, hey i make the bluesbreaker(a basic KOT???? hehe)..and yeah i feel it bright to... i play it with the tone backed all the way off. i guess thats the sound of this pedal(i hate it the first time, but with a strat sounds just fine)
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby floris » 18 Sep 2009, 16:38

Yes, the BluesBreaker is very bright. But tone pot completely closed sounds very dull and mid-peak to me. I used to set it halfway but I like it bright with a single coil neck pickup.
A lot of low frequencies are filtered out in the stock BluesBreaker.

GGG has a mod for it that is also used in the KOT if I'm not misstaken:
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/pdf/ggg_mbb_sc2.pdf
Check the alternate values on the right:
R2 - 27k
R3 - 33k
I did not do: C4 - 10pF

I also removed C7 and bridged it with a jumper.

It now retains more low-mid frequencies. Now I just set the tone pot completely open. Try it!
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby omarhowe » 22 Sep 2009, 00:13

floris wrote:Yes, the BluesBreaker is very bright. But tone pot completely closed sounds very dull and mid-peak to me. I used to set it halfway but I like it bright with a single coil neck pickup.
A lot of low frequencies are filtered out in the stock BluesBreaker.

GGG has a mod for it that is also used in the KOT if I'm not misstaken:
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/pdf/ggg_mbb_sc2.pdf
Check the alternate values on the right:
R2 - 27k
R3 - 33k
I did not do: C4 - 10pF

I also removed C7 and bridged it with a jumper.

It now retains more low-mid frequencies. Now I just set the tone pot completely open. Try it!


thats the RC filter right?

a few weeks ago i breadboarded the circuit to experiment with diferent values in that section

i replace R2,R3 and C2 for a 4.7k resistor and C3 for .047uf.....i also tried .1uf(sounds fuzzier to me) and .01(to treble)

another curious thing i've notice is that when my batterie dies(5v or so) the pedal start to sound really good to me xD, MORE BASS..but with less volumen :( ....but i dont know...maybe its just me :blackeye
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby ryanuk » 26 Nov 2009, 14:46

Hi - this post might be slightly off topic but I didnt want to start a new thread.

A huge number of pedal designs are based upon opamps with diode clippers. I appeciate that different diode types (sil, Ge, LED) can give radically different sounds - however can you exect to percieve a radically different sound from sil diode to sil diode.

The KoT is prime example here. There seems to be a drive to use the original diodes from Analogman's design (MA856?) - however would the difference between MA856 and 1N4148 be that noticable.
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby Greg » 26 Nov 2009, 14:56

ryanuk wrote:Hi - this post might be slightly off topic but I didnt want to start a new thread.

A huge number of pedal designs are based upon opamps with diode clippers. I appeciate that different diode types (sil, Ge, LED) can give radically different sounds - however can you exect to percieve a radically different sound from sil diode to sil diode.

The KoT is prime example here. There seems to be a drive to use the original diodes from Analogman's design (MA856?) - however would the difference between MA856 and 1N4148 be that noticable.


IMO no.. any difference will be subtle.
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby madmac » 27 Nov 2009, 00:28

Greg_G wrote:
ryanuk wrote:Hi - this post might be slightly off topic but I didnt want to start a new thread.

A huge number of pedal designs are based upon opamps with diode clippers. I appeciate that different diode types (sil, Ge, LED) can give radically different sounds - however can you exect to percieve a radically different sound from sil diode to sil diode.

The KoT is prime example here. There seems to be a drive to use the original diodes from Analogman's design (MA856?) - however would the difference between MA856 and 1N4148 be that noticable.


IMO no.. any difference will be subtle.



I personally prefer the sound of the MA856 diodes and think that it makes a worthwhile but noticeable difference - it is subtle but still there.

The other diodes however "distortion mode diodes 1s1588" is less noticeable and probably not worth extra cost.
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby playon » 20 Dec 2009, 23:27

My build of this pedal was rather bright as well. I've owned some real KOTs and compared to them, the clone was so bright that I have the internal tone pot pot turned almost all the way down... this sounds much better than using the external control to dial out the top end IMO. Also the gain feels different on the clone, I have to turn the drive up a bit more. After these adjustments it's pretty darn close but still not a perfect copy. I'd also add that the original KOTs are very consistent from pedal to pedal.
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby grolschie » 21 Dec 2009, 06:03

Interestingly enough, there is still about an 18 month waiting list:
http://www.analogman.com/kotdelay.htm
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby SirElwood » 21 Dec 2009, 09:05

grolschie wrote:Interestingly enough, there is still about an 18 month waiting list:
http://www.analogman.com/kotdelay.htm


How the hell these guys can stay in business, I don't know. That's ridiculous!
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby Greg » 21 Dec 2009, 10:51

How could you not stay in business if you already have your orders for the next year and a half, and all you have to do is build and get paid.
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No advertising.. not product development needed.. just build and collect.

It's a good position to be in if you can generate the reputation and hype to be there.
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby CHEEZOR » 21 Dec 2009, 10:56

SirElwood wrote:
grolschie wrote:Interestingly enough, there is still about an 18 month waiting list:
http://www.analogman.com/kotdelay.htm


How the hell these guys can stay in business, I don't know. That's ridiculous!



Not everybody can build their own pedal. In fact, most people cant. I would say that most people know nothing about electronics and don't want to. They want to play guitar. Analogman has made quite a name for himself on the internet. Lots of people will buy products based on brand name alone. I work in a small retail store and I have had people come in asking if we sell Fender. As soon as we say "no" they walk out the door. They were totally uninterested in what we do carry because it isn't Fender. I have played enough guitars to know that the brand name really means nothing, but musicians tend to hear with their eyes a lot...
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby eddie_bowers » 29 Apr 2010, 18:31

Can anyone explain why there are two caps in parallel of different types at the output (C8 & C9)?
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Re: Analogman - King of Tone

Postby mmolteratx » 28 Jun 2010, 05:00

I just got mine after an 18 month wait. Both sides have the high gain option. If anyone's interested, I'll try to get some guts.
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