Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )  [schematic]

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Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby audioforge » 08 Nov 2010, 21:35

Hi
few days ago a guy give me a fender fuzz wah pcb. unfortunately he had throw away the pedal box many years ago and just keep the pcb. it s the same pcb you can see here http://members.chello.nl/~t.heertjes/wah/73cbspri.jpg
the pcb back is labeled 1967 c peterson + a serial number.
the fuzz is working. but i don t have the pots for volume and wah and can t find anywhere over the net a schematic for the early fender fuzzwah version.
So if someone have a schem or hi rez guts pics so i can find where and how are the potentiometers wired; i could give this old pcb a new life...
thanks for any infos you have to help me...
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Re: 1967 fender fuzz wah

Postby WhiteKeyHole » 09 Nov 2010, 16:49

Can you post some high-resolution photographs clearly showing the trace side and various angles of the component side? Then we can draw up a schematic.

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Re: 1967 fender fuzz wah

Postby analogguru » 10 Nov 2010, 01:04

I thought we had that already, but I couldn´t find the thread.

Anyway, here is the schematic.

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Re: 1967 fender fuzz wah

Postby borislavgajic » 10 Nov 2010, 09:27

WhiteKeyHole wrote:Can you post some high-resolution photographs clearly showing the trace side and various angles of the component side? Then we can draw up a schematic.

Thank you.



Scheme is here,but guts are welcommenzy for making cloned PCB so please post some nice sharp photos?

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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby Bernardduur » 10 Nov 2010, 10:47

Nice!

What are the transistors?
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby lolbou » 10 Nov 2010, 11:20

I read Q1 and Q2 : 2N292(4?) and Q5(?) Q4 and Q3: 2N404A, but it is pretty blurry...
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby borislavgajic » 10 Nov 2010, 11:36

And as you can see AC/DC guitarist use one too........or it is becouse those legs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myzBHFMMNpQ

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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby audioforge » 12 Nov 2010, 21:09

whoo...
Thanks a lot Analogguru for the schematic :D
i should have a 50k rev log for a fender tremolo amp and a 250k log.. so i could try if it work..

Lolbou. all the transistors on my pcb have propriotary numbers but i ve found that the wah part have 3 germanium PNP 2N404A. the others ones are for the fuzz. there s 2 germanium diodes in the fuzz signal.
the fuzz part can be easily cloned (if you can source the germanium diodes) but the wah need a tapped inductor ! so forget it IMHO.

there s good guts pics on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1970s-Fende ... 2eb05e20ea
scroll down the page and grab the pics while you can...
thanks guys .you re great :applause:
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby pedalfreak9847 » 13 Jun 2011, 08:22

Hi All,

I have one of these pedals and it's been pretty worked over by a previous person. They left a few wires hanging and it doesn't have a battery connector. I'm a little lost at this point.

I see people mentioning that there is a schematic available but I don't see it, nor can I find it on google or in any of the archives here. Can anyone help?

Thanks so much in advance!
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )  [schematic]

Postby jrod » 14 Jun 2011, 03:01

pedalfreak9847 wrote:Hi All,

I have one of these pedals and it's been pretty worked over by a previous person. They left a few wires hanging and it doesn't have a battery connector. I'm a little lost at this point.

I see people mentioning that there is a schematic available but I don't see it, nor can I find it on google or in any of the archives here. Can anyone help?

Thanks so much in advance!


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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby pedalfreak9847 » 16 Jun 2011, 19:15

Wow, thanks jrod!

It's amazing that I got as much right as I did without the schematic. As an electrical engineer working the field of audio CODECs, this is one messed up design!

Not that it doesn't work, but using the positive voltage of the battery for the chassis ground is pretty unconventional. Without the schematic, it took me a bit to convince myself that the positive terminal was really ground (and in fact switched through the two pole jack). This was due to the missing wires.

I got the have the fuzz working without the schematic, but the wah was a bit more complicated, not to mention that I had to disassemble the tapped inductor to re-solder a connection, always risky business.

I know I'm going to get this thing fully working and it'll not even sound that good.

oh well, part of the adventure...

Nice community you have here! Thanks again.
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby Mr. Bill » 16 Jun 2011, 21:12

The positive ground is due to the PNP transistors, no different than a PNP Fuzz Face. When you re-assemble the inductor, note that the top part of the core twists to adjust the inductance value. You will probably have to adjust it by ear once the pedal is working.
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby pedalfreak9847 » 17 Jun 2011, 03:02

Mr. Bill wrote:The positive ground is due to the PNP transistors, no different than a PNP Fuzz Face. When you re-assemble the inductor, note that the top part of the core twists to adjust the inductance value. You will probably have to adjust it by ear once the pedal is working.


Well it only works because this is a stand-alone entity running from a battery. You certainly wouldn't want to chassis "ground" a 9V wall adapter's positive terminal unless you're very sure that there is no earth ground reference cause once you plug into your third prong powered amp through the pedal, currents gonna flow. Likely not dangerous, but bad things might happen.

There's no reason why the ground side couldn't have been switched rather than the 9V side....I've just seen the ground side switch as a lot more common. In fact, the second gen Fender Fuzz Wah with the two opamps used ground side switching. I figure this was the result of some ECL logic design that would have been popular at the time.

Concerning the inductor, how does adjusting the coil radially affect the inductance? I saw two (what I presume) were two ferrous cores in the middle, but they looked fairly monolithic to me. Are they different? The insulation on the wires coming out of the inductor core are pretty stiff (from age) and I really don't want to bend them that much, so knowing what I'm doing before I adjust it would be helpful. A blow dryer should help with bending the wires too.
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby Mr. Bill » 21 Jun 2011, 18:22

Sorry that it took a while to shoot these photos. I don't know what your pedal has, but this is what mine has. The choke is wound on a plastic bobbin and encased in a ferrite core. The top of the core removes and if you look at the center section, it has a half moon shaped adjustment area. As you rotate the top disc, the inductance of the coils changes. The entire unit bolts down to the board with a brass screw and nut.

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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby greeny23 » 16 Jan 2012, 22:07

if anyones still interested i've got one of these in the mail i'll take apart :)
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby sinner » 17 Jan 2012, 00:39

Please do :)
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby borislavgajic » 17 Jan 2012, 23:35

sinner wrote:Please do :)

:hug: traces and components please
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby CHEEZOR » 08 Feb 2012, 19:15

If anybody is interested, I just found the schematic on ebay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1976-FENDER-GUITAR-FUZZ-WAH-PEDAL-SCHEMATIC-FROM-SERVICE-MANUAL-CATALOG-/170779513387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c340922b) and I am willing to bid on it and scan it to upload here if there is interest. Although, Im probably not willing to go as high as crazy collectors. Note: Im totally uninterested in the actual paper copy so if someone else would love to have it then they can bid on it or I could mail it after scanning it. Just let me know cuz it would be better if we weren't bidding against each other.
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby Mr. Bill » 11 Feb 2012, 02:38

That is the schematic for the later version with the cast metal case. You can see that there is a dual opamp in the schematic. If anyone is really interested in it I already have a copy of it and can scan it.
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Re: Fender - Fuzz Wah ( 1st edition )

Postby jrod » 11 Feb 2012, 03:30

I'm interested! :thumbsup
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