Catalinbread - Pareidolia Harmonic Mesmerizer [traced]
- coldcraft
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i hope it comes together well. In stereo, it would sound as if the treble and bass are going left to right with a 180 degree lag between them. I'll add an input buffer and output buffer as well as configure it so it can be driven with a mono signal or an already stereo signal.
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The stereo Pareidolia sounds like a great idea. Seems, to my amateur eye, that R6 and R12 mix the output of the two Mu Amp stages. I'm guessing you could just connect R12 to it's own output jack.
You may need to add a volume. Imagine the Volume pot as a dual pot with R6 connected to one pot and the R12 connected to the other pot. Using a switching jack you wire it to switch between mono and stereo.
Here's a couple questions.
Seems you could probably use any type of LFO. Is there something special that this circuit is getting from the XR2206?
I get that the LFO is fed out phase to Q3 and Q6. What I'm curious about here is what happens at C6 and C12. These are some how controlling the output of the two Mu Amps.
There seems to be a filter on each of the Mu Amp Stages. Is this happening through C5 and C11?
You may need to add a volume. Imagine the Volume pot as a dual pot with R6 connected to one pot and the R12 connected to the other pot. Using a switching jack you wire it to switch between mono and stereo.
Here's a couple questions.
Seems you could probably use any type of LFO. Is there something special that this circuit is getting from the XR2206?
I get that the LFO is fed out phase to Q3 and Q6. What I'm curious about here is what happens at C6 and C12. These are some how controlling the output of the two Mu Amps.
There seems to be a filter on each of the Mu Amp Stages. Is this happening through C5 and C11?
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The input caps (C3=270p and C9=100n with C10=5n to ground) probably also separate the input signal into high and low bands, not sure of the role of C6 and C12.soggybag wrote:I get that the LFO is fed out phase to Q3 and Q6. What I'm curious about here is what happens at C6 and C12. These are some how controlling the output of the two Mu Amps.
There seems to be a filter on each of the Mu Amp Stages. Is this happening through C5 and C11?
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- coldcraft
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I didn't mean stereo as in treble-left, bass-right. what I'm thinking of is basically 2 pareidolias that have LFOs that are out of phase. The treble will alternate Left to right while the bass runs Right to Left.soggybag wrote:The stereo Pareidolia sounds like a great idea. Seems, to my amateur eye, that R6 and R12 mix the output of the two Mu Amp stages. I'm guessing you could just connect R12 to it's own output jack.
started on it here, viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16592
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roseblood11 wrote:1 + -1 = 0
more like 1 + i,
or even better,
cos(t) + i*sin(t).
The LFO driving the Left Pareidolia is out of phase with the LFO driving the right channel. The actual audio is in phase and the outputs of the channels are sent to different amps. The result will be more like a panning/vibe than a tremolo/vibe.
i guess it will be easier to just build the damn thing and make a nice demo.
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Did you use Pruttelherrie's layout?roseblood11 wrote:I use a little Fender amp, similar to the princeton in catalinbreads video. And the pedal simply doesn't work with that amp. The treble side of the sweep makes my ears hurt and the bass side distorts the amp even if it's set to a totally clean sound.
Hi, I just built this board using Haralds vero layout and I’m having a bugger of a time getting it going. I’ve probed the audio path and I have audio all the way up to the Drains on Q3 and Q6, but I’m not getting anything past that. I’ve tried a coulple pairs of 2N5457′s to no avail. Could I ask that anyone who has built this post up their voltages so I can double check mine? I’m getting around 1.3V at the Source pins and that seems really low to me. Any help anyone might be able to offer would be greatly appreciated!
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Andy
Thanks,
Andy
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I just built one of these from Sabrotones vero layout posted here. It passes a signal. Though it's a little distorted, sounds like the mu amps are working. But, there's no phasing or modulation. The LEDs are lit, but don't pulse. I'm guessing the XR2206 is not modulating.
Anyone got any suggestions on what to check with this chip?
Anyone got any suggestions on what to check with this chip?
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Comparing the Schematic posted earlier the Sabrotone layout seems to switch the op-amp pins, IC1a and IC1b are swapped.
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Measuring pin 2 of the XR2206, it seems to be cycling from about 3.5V to 4V. At pins 1 and 7 of the op-amp I see a constant 3.8V.
Question: Does the output of XR2206 seem about right? If so then there must be some problem in the connection between pin 2 of the XR2206 and the op-amp, would that seem a reasonable guess?
Question: Does the output of XR2206 seem about right? If so then there must be some problem in the connection between pin 2 of the XR2206 and the op-amp, would that seem a reasonable guess?
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In mine, pin 2 of the XR2206 sweeps around the 3.9V, but the outputs of the opamps are not constant: they sweep/cycle as well. So I think your guess is right, look for problems around the opamps.soggybag wrote:Measuring pin 2 of the XR2206, it seems to be cycling from about 3.5V to 4V. At pins 1 and 7 of the op-amp I see a constant 3.8V.
Question: Does the output of XR2206 seem about right? If so then there must be some problem in the connection between pin 2 of the XR2206 and the op-amp, would that seem a reasonable guess?
Hi,
this is for all who think their build of the Pareidolia sounds trebly and thin:
A few weeks ago I built this effect using Harald Sabro's layout. I too found this effect to be really trebly and not very nice sounding. Still, as I had boxed it right away I didn't want to leave it at that.
Last weekend I therefore had another close look at the schematic, and I believe I have found (and fixed) the cause of the trebly sound:
The problem exists right at the input of the pedal. As was described before, the input signal is split into a high and a low signal path. The highs are sent through a high pass filter using R1/C3, the lows are sent through both a high pass filter (R7/C9) and a low pass filter (R8/C10). Applying the filter cutoff formula to both the R1/C3 and the R8/C10 filter shows a probable error in the trace:
The highs are cut below 589Hz, while with the 5nF/1MOhm the lows are cut above about 32Hz!
This results in a very wide notch in the signal, which as far as I can see fully explains the extremly trebly and hollow sound.
I changed to 5nF cap C10 to a 250pF (just had that value as a silver mica, also decided to use a socket), and viola... the pedal suddenly sounds really close to what I hear in the Youtube demos, and definitely not trebly and hollow any more. With the 250pF, the lows are filtered above 637Hz which gives a nice overlap of the two signal paths between 589 and 637Hz (or wider, as the filters are not very steep).
I'm not sure about the original value of C10, so I played around with several capacitor values between 470pF and 150pF, but currently like the 250pF best. It does give the characteristic phasing in the mids. If the phasing in the mids is felt to be too intense, a capacitor value of 270pF or even 330pF will reduce or almost eliminate it. Some more overlap can be created with e.g. a 220pF cap.
So if anyone has given up on this pedal but still has the build, I strongly suggest you try this fix.
Best,
Dan
this is for all who think their build of the Pareidolia sounds trebly and thin:
A few weeks ago I built this effect using Harald Sabro's layout. I too found this effect to be really trebly and not very nice sounding. Still, as I had boxed it right away I didn't want to leave it at that.
Last weekend I therefore had another close look at the schematic, and I believe I have found (and fixed) the cause of the trebly sound:
The problem exists right at the input of the pedal. As was described before, the input signal is split into a high and a low signal path. The highs are sent through a high pass filter using R1/C3, the lows are sent through both a high pass filter (R7/C9) and a low pass filter (R8/C10). Applying the filter cutoff formula to both the R1/C3 and the R8/C10 filter shows a probable error in the trace:
The highs are cut below 589Hz, while with the 5nF/1MOhm the lows are cut above about 32Hz!
This results in a very wide notch in the signal, which as far as I can see fully explains the extremly trebly and hollow sound.
I changed to 5nF cap C10 to a 250pF (just had that value as a silver mica, also decided to use a socket), and viola... the pedal suddenly sounds really close to what I hear in the Youtube demos, and definitely not trebly and hollow any more. With the 250pF, the lows are filtered above 637Hz which gives a nice overlap of the two signal paths between 589 and 637Hz (or wider, as the filters are not very steep).
I'm not sure about the original value of C10, so I played around with several capacitor values between 470pF and 150pF, but currently like the 250pF best. It does give the characteristic phasing in the mids. If the phasing in the mids is felt to be too intense, a capacitor value of 270pF or even 330pF will reduce or almost eliminate it. Some more overlap can be created with e.g. a 220pF cap.
So if anyone has given up on this pedal but still has the build, I strongly suggest you try this fix.
Best,
Dan
This fix worked very well! I used a 330pf in mine. Thanks dancloud9!I changed to 5nF cap C10 to a 250pF (just had that value as a silver mica, also decided to use a socket), and viola... the pedal suddenly sounds really close to what I hear in the Youtube demos, and definitely not trebly and hollow any more. With the 250pF, the lows are filtered above 637Hz which gives a nice overlap of the two signal paths between 589 and 637Hz (or wider, as the filters are not very steep).
I'm not sure about the original value of C10, so I played around with several capacitor values between 470pF and 150pF, but currently like the 250pF best. It does give the characteristic phasing in the mids. If the phasing in the mids is felt to be too intense, a capacitor value of 270pF or even 330pF will reduce or almost eliminate it. Some more overlap can be created with e.g. a 220pF cap.
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Hey guys sorry for the mega necro resurrection, but I built this today using the pcb v1.2 posted earlier in the thread.
Something is very wrong... it does pass a signal but it's very trebly (I already switched out c10 to pre-compensate but to no avail) and I can hear odd glitches. The rate is all bunched up at one end (almost to a stutter speed) and basically it's unusable.
Has anyone else tried the pcb?
Something is very wrong... it does pass a signal but it's very trebly (I already switched out c10 to pre-compensate but to no avail) and I can hear odd glitches. The rate is all bunched up at one end (almost to a stutter speed) and basically it's unusable.
Has anyone else tried the pcb?