Death By Audio - Soundwave Breakdown [traced]
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hi!
i did some research and it seems you drew the 5089s backwards.
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datashe ... 037_DS.pdf
according to this datasheet, leg 1 is the emitter, and on your schematics, leg 1 appears to be the collector.
your drawing also says leg 1 of the 5306s is the base
http://www.experimentalistsanonymous.co ... 2N5306.pdf
this datasheet says 1 is the emitter and 2 is the base.
i'm very far from being an expert so i'd rather ask before i fry everything and pay a sh*t-load of shipping cost to get new parts!!
i did some research and it seems you drew the 5089s backwards.
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datashe ... 037_DS.pdf
according to this datasheet, leg 1 is the emitter, and on your schematics, leg 1 appears to be the collector.
your drawing also says leg 1 of the 5306s is the base
http://www.experimentalistsanonymous.co ... 2N5306.pdf
this datasheet says 1 is the emitter and 2 is the base.
i'm very far from being an expert so i'd rather ask before i fry everything and pay a sh*t-load of shipping cost to get new parts!!
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I'm not sure Glass Hero intended the numbers to reflect the pin numbers in the transistors' respective datasheets: When doing a layout or breadboarding, just make sure you follow the schematic symbol and check the pinout for the individual transistors you're using.
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pin numbers do not reflect actual pinout.. my schem capture sometimes labels them..
but the transistors are in backwards..collector to ground..
but the transistors are in backwards..collector to ground..
- cortezthekiller
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I have put this one together and can verify that it is correct. The darlington transistors seem to be crucial for this circuit to oscillate and filter fully. I had also used 2n5088's instead of 5089's and it worked fine.
I have created this vero , i have build it , but it sounds not good.
Can someone check it that the scheme is translate right?
Can someone check it that the scheme is translate right?
Last edited by IvIark on 24 Oct 2012, 01:08, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Remove layout with error http://i47.tinypic.com/w1z489.jpg
Reason: Remove layout with error http://i47.tinypic.com/w1z489.jpg
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Was it a build problem Ben, is the layout ok?
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I'll remove that layout then and could you repost a corrected one so no one builds it wrong. Thanks for the layout.
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I just did up the Supersonic Fuzz and was going to breadboard this out since it is similar but I'm a little confused on the schem by where the 5k and 100k trimmers connect, as well as the Sine Wave pot. There seem to be some dangling connections. Can someone who has built this please elaborate on those?
Thanks!
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theyare trimpot and left open on one side.. so they act like adjustable resistors, you could attach the open end to the wiper if you want.. the 5k trim should only be adjusted when initially biasing the unit and left alone after that..sonicmojo wrote:I just did up the Supersonic Fuzz and was going to breadboard this out since it is similar but I'm a little confused on the schem by where the 5k and 100k trimmers connect, as well as the Sine Wave pot. There seem to be some dangling connections. Can someone who has built this please elaborate on those?
Thanks!
I took an old, original death by audio soundwave breakdown pedal in. Very early unit. Very sloppy, high school electronics lab attempt. This pedal just can't make but one good sound at one setting on the controls. And the controls aren't volume or gain. Noooooooooo. Putting B+ on the emiter of each darlington NPN transistor. Very spitty and gated.
I traced it out, I think. For a low parts count, there is a mess to poke through, but here is my best effort.
I have tried to reduce the gain, but it is still just that one setting giving you a bombastic, over-the-top sound; spitty, gated, etc. Any other setting chokes the output worse, and extreme settings have the pedal motorboating. This can't be normal.
Anyone have real experience with this pedal? Notthe current one you see with six transistors or three knobs. The transistors are in 'backwards', so normal biasing ideas don't work. This is one weird pedal. Thanks in advance, and any help is greatly appreciated.
I traced it out, I think. For a low parts count, there is a mess to poke through, but here is my best effort.
I have tried to reduce the gain, but it is still just that one setting giving you a bombastic, over-the-top sound; spitty, gated, etc. Any other setting chokes the output worse, and extreme settings have the pedal motorboating. This can't be normal.
Anyone have real experience with this pedal? Notthe current one you see with six transistors or three knobs. The transistors are in 'backwards', so normal biasing ideas don't work. This is one weird pedal. Thanks in advance, and any help is greatly appreciated.
'You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.'
No one has one? There are YouTube videos, and it does sound as spitty and gated as I thought. I did change a couple of resistors, and added one more, to try and tame it down. I think it is modestly tamer, but still crazy. In the PGS demo, it even has the same motorboating with both controls on '0'.
I have it tamer, as I say, but I doubt I can make it usable for old farts like myself. This is definitely a 'noise' pedal for the younger kids.
I have it tamer, as I say, but I doubt I can make it usable for old farts like myself. This is definitely a 'noise' pedal for the younger kids.
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Yup that's a nice "in your face" squarewave generator
In the PGS demo they've shown the two trimpots, one for the "input threshold" and the second for the "level" (I assume it's the output level).
Do you have the values for these trimmers please?
edit: or maybe the trimpots are on your schematic, but then the two pots are missing...
Cheers.
In the PGS demo they've shown the two trimpots, one for the "input threshold" and the second for the "level" (I assume it's the output level).
Do you have the values for these trimmers please?
edit: or maybe the trimpots are on your schematic, but then the two pots are missing...
Cheers.
No, the schematic I drew is what I have. No printed circuit board, no trim pots. Just a lot of hand wiring to a small perf board floating in mid-air, and 'serial number' of '4'. I thought a lot of the extra wire could make it act weird (capacitance, inductance, etc.), but no such luck. For so few parts, it sure makes a lot of weird noises.
I think I am done with it. With a Strat it is even worse. It seems to need a hot input. With a Les Paul and hot humbuckers it still gates at the end of a note (not much for sustain), and spits as the notes chokes out abruptly. But If sustain isn't a prerequisite for you, just low note riffing sounds like a snarly fuzz. That I could use, but no screaming bent notes on the high 'E' string. There's just not a lot of sustain. You'd never mistake this for a Muff. Maybe a horribly biased Fuzz Face.
I think I am done with it. With a Strat it is even worse. It seems to need a hot input. With a Les Paul and hot humbuckers it still gates at the end of a note (not much for sustain), and spits as the notes chokes out abruptly. But If sustain isn't a prerequisite for you, just low note riffing sounds like a snarly fuzz. That I could use, but no screaming bent notes on the high 'E' string. There's just not a lot of sustain. You'd never mistake this for a Muff. Maybe a horribly biased Fuzz Face.
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I'm dealing with this... 'thing'?
No succes at all.
Both transistors BCE (collectors to ground).
I used KSP13 (MPSA13), and MPSA29 (Hfe around 10.000).
Nothing happen: sounds really HORRIBLE
When Bias is fully closed (no k's at all), the Collector of Q2 eat a LOT!.
No succes at all.
Both transistors BCE (collectors to ground).
I used KSP13 (MPSA13), and MPSA29 (Hfe around 10.000).
Nothing happen: sounds really HORRIBLE
When Bias is fully closed (no k's at all), the Collector of Q2 eat a LOT!.
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IIRC, NPN transistors have positive on collector.
(the "arrow" points AWAY from the base)
the schematic has this reversed.
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http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com ... transistor
(the "arrow" points AWAY from the base)
the schematic has this reversed.
Learning About Electronics:
http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com ... transistor
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toneman, meet death by audio; death by audio, meet toneman.toneman wrote:IIRC, NPN transistors have positive on collector.
(the "arrow" points AWAY from the base)
the schematic has this reversed.
Learning About Electronics:
http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com ... transistor
modman wrote: ↑ Let's hope it's not a hit, because soldering up the same pedal everyday, is a sad life. It's that same ole devilish double bind again...