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Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby smackoj » 25 Mar 2017, 13:18

I have been trying for a long time to build a cabinet simulator effect that is easy to build and actually "does" something. I have tried the Condor from ROG three times and not a success in the bunch even using supposedly verified pcbs. I am open to suggestions if anyone wants to offer a working cab sim? If the bulk of the members here think this type of effect is more hype than reality then let me know that also and I will ditch the project. Thanks
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby marcao_cfh » 26 Mar 2017, 22:26

Well, I've built the Condor cab sim with success, using the pcb layout available at ROG. I suggest you to try it again. For direct recordings, it really do a lot of difference.
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby phatt » 27 Mar 2017, 09:16

Remember that often different amplifiers have VERY different tone shaping.
Soooo,,,,the same Cab sim circuit will come out Very different than what you may hear on a utube demo by someone who has had great results.

I use a cabsim circuit in my pedal setup BUT it runs through a very flat power amp setup. If I use that pedal setup into some Wanker brand name BS Amplifier that the kids rave about because some famous herd used it,, my cab sim will sound like Crap and I would have to rethink the whole signal path. :slap:

IMExperience,, very few Amps sold today will work well with cab sim setups as they are aimed squarely at MAX SPL and MAX Bandwidth so you have none and Buckley's chance of attaining the classic rock sounds. :roll: IF that is what you desire then rethink you amp or bypass the whole front panel and just use the power amp.,,,, you may still have to change the speakers.
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby bmxguitarsbmx » 27 Mar 2017, 20:02

Real cabs have a very complex response. A simple analog circuit will very likely sound boring, especially for overdriven tones. I don't know if using impulse responses is an option for you, but here are two good ones:

http://www.two-notes.com/en/wall-of-sound-iii

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/nadir-by-ignite-amps

I have used both with good success.

This is probably the only diy analog design that sounds good to my ears:
PaEqSimSch.pdf


http://milas.spb.ru/~kmg/index_en.html
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby smackoj » 30 Mar 2017, 01:31

I have a partially built Condor Cab Sim pcb that I will give you to finish if you want to PM your address (hopefully you're in US).
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby poiureza » 31 Mar 2017, 12:43

FWIW I've breadboarded the condor sim a long time ago and it worked as intended.
(not sure how I should read the above post : the condor calls for 4 OP amps and your PCB shows a 14-paw crab)

Anyway, in the end it's just 3 static filters in a box.
It helps indeed for direct recording but it's totally underwhelming for playing live through a PA rig or similar.
Tried, tested and scrapped
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby marcao_cfh » 03 Apr 2017, 02:00

Condor uses 4 opamps, so you can use a TL074, which is what smackoj used.
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby Cub » 03 Apr 2017, 08:06

The Condor is quite good for what it is, but I don't know if there are other DIY projects out there if you want more versatility. There is this new gizmo that you may find interesting, I know I do! The GFI System Cabzeus. What I like most is that it's stereo, but I'm an old rack lugger. :lol:
http://www.gfisystem.com/cabzeus.html

Henry Widjaja, the designer and builder of GFI System products, assured me that when more speaker profiles become available, they will be released as software or firmware updates and can be downloaded for free.
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby smackoj » 04 Apr 2017, 00:46

I am stumped! I don't know why this thread says I started it? Anyway, as the other gent stated, the Condor uses one TL074 as designed and produced by OSH Park which is where I bought the pcb.
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby grrrunge » 03 May 2017, 23:39

smackoj wrote:I am stumped! I don't know why this thread says I started it? Anyway, as the other gent stated, the Condor uses one TL074 as designed and produced by OSH Park which is where I bought the pcb.


That layout is mine 8) Tried and tested - it's an okay sounding circuit... The layout is shared on OSH-park, which is where you must have gotten it from.
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby J0K3RX » 04 May 2017, 08:30

Only does one thing but does it very well! Good, very simple cab sim..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q0i10zvihyuip ... s.png?dl=0
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby J0K3RX » 04 May 2017, 08:40

Hot Line 2 is a good one also..

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You can get all the project files here
http://guitar-gear.ru/2016/hotline2/
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Re: Searching for a cab simulator project

Postby J0K3RX » 04 May 2017, 09:16

The cab simulation in the Lionsound 14 Dark Angel is excellent but a little more complicated.

Just look at the cab simulation part of the circuit.. never mind the rest :lol: unless you like rockin out with your balls out high gain metal geetarz :twisted:
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This one sounds great!
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Was taken from an earlier Lionsound v10.2
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