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Postby Goop_buster » 10 Sep 2007, 09:40

Thanks JHS :D
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Postby freedreamer » 10 Sep 2007, 09:56

i guess markm's version is not like this....
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Postby briggs » 10 Sep 2007, 11:37

http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/v/MarkMs-Gallery/album15/album76/

It looks like it to me.


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Fulltone OCD parts layout
Fulltone OCD pcb transfer file

schematic further on in the thread
the above old link is dead.
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Postby cbriere » 10 Sep 2007, 12:36

there are error on the posted circuit from JHS
please indicate schematics of the OCD++ layout
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Postby JHS » 10 Sep 2007, 16:04

The OCD++ is "my personal version" of the OCD wiith some minor mods and refinaments added, nothing more. I prototyped all 3 versions of the original and this circuits suits me best.

If you intend to build one of the original circuits I recommend to take Mark's layout and build his OhCeeDee. Only drawback, it has not the original LED-control circuit and you'll get a pop if you use a LED indicator and true bypass wiring, the original OCDs have no tone-sucking pulldown R.

If someone claims there are any errors in it please correct the schem and repost it ...

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Postby kagaxdx » 10 Sep 2007, 17:33

The OCD++ is "my personal version" of the OCD wiith some minor mods and refinaments added, nothing more. I prototyped all 3 versions of the original and this circuits suits me best.
:roll: So... where's the true OCD schem?
Why we can't have a look at it?

Thanks anyway for showing us your version for the OCD...
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Postby JHS » 11 Sep 2007, 03:38

The org. schems are for my eyes only and I don't have the permission to post it.

If you want an org. schem (w/o the LED circuit) generate it from Mark's layout, you need max. 5 minutes for it. Fulller already posted the basic differences of the 3 versions. I think it's not to difficult to change 1/2 pot values and a cap value in the schem to generate schems for all 3 versions.

98% of my schem is nearly identical and if you use ML_ceramics and tantal electrolytics the circuit shown in my schem delivers the OCD sound. Even with SM/Styro and MKT caps it comes close and the sound wil be a bit warmer.

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Postby markm » 11 Sep 2007, 12:20

JHS wrote:The org. schems are for my eyes only and I don't have the permission to post it.


Is the OCD another "trade schem" like the KLON was? :?:
How can I get involved in schem trading like this?
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Postby cbriere » 11 Sep 2007, 13:03

can you comfirm how the Switch is wired? (on the markm layout)
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Postby JHS » 11 Sep 2007, 14:32

I have 3 schems of the OCD (V1,V2,V3), the guys who traced them own the units and they are verified. I promised not to distribute the schems, hence that's the reason I don't publish them.

33k and 22k is correct, 33k is the HP-mode and 33k with 22k parallel you'll have the LP-mode. You can connect the empty pole of the switch to the junction of the 33k/22k like it's done in the OCD, but this has no effect on the sound.

The LP mode sounds really good, the HP-mode sounds to peaky and thin for me, I think I will mod the HP-mode on my clone and therefore swap 2 new Rs in.

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Postby markm » 11 Sep 2007, 16:32

JHS wrote:I have 3 schems of the OCD (V1,V2,V3), the guys who traced them own the units and they are verified. I promised not to distribute the schems, hence that's the reason I don't publish them.


What if you re-draw them?


The LP mode sounds really good, the HP-mode sounds to peaky and thin for me, I think I will mod the HP-mode on my clone and therefore swap 2 new Rs in.


I agree.
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My Layout is the OCD, what version......I don't know.
It is renamed to protect the innocent and to fit forum rules.
Other than that, it is what it is! :lol:
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Postby snoof » 11 Sep 2007, 17:13

according to the link to Fuller's site posted earlier, it's V1. Pots are 500k, 25k, and 100k.
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Postby briggs » 11 Sep 2007, 17:45

Mosfet clippers. I've really got to get myself some 2N7000 thingys
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Postby cbriere » 11 Sep 2007, 17:58

i'll just put some Mosfet clipper to replace the diodes on my BOSS DS-1 , saves me alot of time not have to build the whole thing.
BS170 should be OK?
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Postby analogguru » 11 Sep 2007, 18:07

i'll just put some Mosfet clipper to replace the diodes on my BOSS DS-1 , saves me alot of time not have to build the whole thing.
BS170 should be OK?


Save your time, when you want to do it like fuller did.....
That´s not mos-fet-clipping, that´s normal diode clipping even with mosfets
The inside-protection diodes are not mosfet-diodes, they are normal and will conduct long before the mosfets will conduct.

Have a look here:
http://www.diystompboxes.com/pedals/schematics.html

(scroll down for Shakah braddah III) to see how it should be done.

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Postby modman » 11 Sep 2007, 21:23

wow, we went round in a circle, I remembered some old post on the OCD and dumped at the beginning of this thread. Please reread the thread on the mosfet stuff.
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Postby MKB » 11 Sep 2007, 23:27

FWIW, I built a VLOD recently, and it sounded flat and poor. I then made the OCD modifications in the link JHS posted to the VLOD, and also the mods on the Fulltone site, and the difference was fantastic. I haven't played a real OCD, but the modded VLOD is so good I don't really want to. I used BS170's in place of the 2N7000's though. The real secrets perhaps are the fet clipping, capacitor types and the op amp (TL082). They make a HUGE difference. The dynamics are indeed there. With the guitar volume down it sounds almost identical to when it is bypassed, but crank the guitar volume up and it very nicely starts distorting.

Another secret is to keep the gain below 12 o'clock. The modded pedal sounds fuzzy and bad if the gain goes above that. If you want high gain, boost the pedal with a clean boost, it sounds great that way.
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Postby bajaman » 12 Sep 2007, 00:11

Hi MKB - thanks for your comments
How much difference is there between using a TL072 or TL082 :?:
i always understood them to be the same - just that the 072 was a lower noise version - am I wrong here :?: Anyone know :?: comments etc most welcome :wink:
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Postby MKB » 12 Sep 2007, 00:24

bajaman wrote:Hi MKB - thanks for your comments
How much difference is there between using a TL072 or TL082 :?:
i always understood them to be the same - just that the 072 was a lower noise version - am I wrong here :?: Anyone know :?: comments etc most welcome :wink:
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I tried recent production versions of the TI TL072 and TL082 in the circuit, the TL082 definately improved the transparency of the sound, which is the main benefit of the circuit IMO.
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